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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 1436010" data-attributes="member: 8461">Par for the course, the book seems to want to have it's cake and eat it to on this issue.Page 143, under "Features of the Abyss" states:However, page 189 has a table (Table A-10) describing the "Vile and Exalted Deities" of Faerun...that is, the deities who can grant exalted domains (from the Book of Exalted Deeds) and vile domains (from the Book of Vile Darkness). The thing to note is that several archfiends (and celestial paragons) are listed among the "deities" of the table with no discrepancies noted. While Orcus is not among them (he has no vile domains, though he has other domains), this clearly points out that several demon lords can grant spells...something they shouldn't be able to do, unless they were gods.From what I've heard about module H3 Mines of Bloodstone, it does have an appearance by an "avatar of Orcus" yes. However, Orcus as displayed on pages 76-77 of H4 Throne of Bloodstone is decidedly not a god there. He does have a full stat listing which is different from his Monster Manual depiction, which is stated as being his stats within his actual fortress - the Monster Manual stats are used if he's elsewhere on his plane or another plane (as modified by Manual of the Planes). Nothing about his description notes him as a deity (though, to be fair, you fight Tiamat later in the adventure, and she has no notations that depict her as a deity either, save that Bahamut tells you that even if you kill her, she'll come back - same for destroying the Wand of Orcus).Like I said, it waffles on that issue.</blockquote>

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