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[FR] Sun Elves as evil or neutral instead of good?
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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 848671" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p><strong>The Point</strong></p><p></p><p>Everything above is why the Elves of Evermeet joined with Forrester.</p><p></p><p> When Evermeet was destroyed, the elves were not allowed into Arvandor. </p><p> Corellon and Sehanine had no use for elves who would wreck the magic of a Crystal Sphere over technomancy.</p><p> The Elves of Evermeet were doomed to remain on Toril as ghosts, helpless, while the change they fought so hard against came about anyways - came on a scale they had not dreamed of when they threw the magic-annulling ceremony.</p><p></p><p> The Elves of Evermeet, including the Gold Elves, learned something from this.</p><p> It isn't clear what they learned, but certainly they had plenty of time to contemplate and attain understanding while they remained in the netherworld of unlife.</p><p> And they decided that, if they were given a second chance, that they would start anew, with open minds.</p><p> They decided to change their ways, and to change with the changing world. To change from what they had been, into the unknown and unknowable future.</p><p></p><p> However, before they got any chance at resurrection, the Elven Fleets of Retribution came to destroy Toril.</p><p></p><p> The Elves of Evermeet went up into space to fight alongside their former enemies, the humanoids and scro, and all the other peoples of Toril, to save them.</p><p> They had changed. They had become altrustic. They put aside past feuds. They put aside grievances (even if those grievances were well founded and justified.)</p><p> The Elves of Evermeet, Sun Elves included, put aside their racism and bigotry, their hatred and their fear, to aid the peoples of Toril against a common enemy that was come to destroy humanoid, human, and demihuman alike.</p><p> The fact that the attackers were elves, made no difference.</p><p></p><p> Forrester won't admit it today (if you ask the person who plays that SN) but King Forrester was impressed by this.</p><p> Forrester put aside his hostility to these shades of once elves. They were saving his people and his world.</p><p> And because of the shock value of the spirits of elves attacking them, the attacking elves were thrown into chaos.</p><p> Before they could turn their great weapons on the planet, the elven spirits from once Evermeet and their allies, the humans and humanoids and demihumans and neoillithid, and all the peoples of Toril, were upon them.</p><p> Toril was saved. The Elven Fleets of Retribution were destroyed.</p><p></p><p> Destroyed also, was the ancient hatred between elves and non-elves.</p><p> It was a time of new beginnings. A new world, with new and very great possibilities.</p><p> This was the beginning of the United Commonwealth of Toril, the enlightened and very good aligned supernation. Starting with the old Technomancy, the UCT would grow as peoples joined in, one after the other - first the old Shining South of Faerun, then Zakhara, then the denizens of the moon Selune, then the neoillithid, and many others.</p><p> (And because they did, because they united in this way, they survived the Great Assault of the Illithid that was later to occur. Only a united Toril could have survived, but Toril HAD united, and could stand united against this or any other threat.)</p><p></p><p> The Ceremony of the Church of Toril was performed.</p><p> Among other truly powerful effects, one of the effects was to resurrect the elves of Evermeet.</p><p> Not the Island itself. It was not returned. Only the actual elves were restored.</p><p> Just as well. Evermeet belonged to the past - even had it been restored, the elves would not have remained there, for it stood for values and beliefs they had in large measure abandoned.</p><p></p><p> The Elves of Evermeet, now the last elves of Realmspace, decided that their road lie down new and unexplored paths. As stated above, they had long ago decided this.</p><p> The Elves of Evermeet, also believed they owed restitution to Toril for past wrongs committed, and especially for the anti-magic ceremony. Although partial restitution was achieved in the battle against the Fleets of Retribution, it was not enough.</p><p></p><p> After a long debate, the decision was made that to unite with the humanoids was the best of the possible new roads to be taken.</p><p> To unite with the humanoids, offered the greatest possibilities for a new and better world.</p><p> A new and better world, in that diversity and sharing of cultures and ideas could be accomplished between elves and humanoids. Knowledge and insights could be mutually understood. All would benefit from this sharing.</p><p> True peace and unity could be attained, and peace and unity were something desirable.</p><p> And, the elves were forced to acknowledge their kinsmanship with the humanoids, for it was there to see and they could not now deny it. In other words, the elves WERE humanoids themselves, but had deceived themselves into thinking otherwise, but now the truth was laid bare.</p><p></p><p> Queen Amlaruil had not returned with the great resurrection, so her eldest daughter assuming Queenship of the Elves.</p><p> And she gave herself to King Forrester as his concubine. King Forrester accepted, and (I remember he was quite astounded) Forrester agreed to the Unity of Elves and Humanoids.</p><p> After that, they merged into one people, within the Humanoid Confederation.</p><p></p><p> The addition of the elves to the mix made of the humanoid peoples better peoples, for the elves that joined were truly enlightened, and they passed that enlightenment to those they joined.</p><p> The humanoids (elves included) flourished, growing in lore and power, in beauty and strength, in understanding and wisdom, until their nation was comparable to the mighty United Commonwealth of Toril.</p><p> In this the elves do not take credit, although some credit is due them. It is enough for them that they have found new ways, new avenues of exploration, new joys in life, and they had cast aside all the old ways and superstitions that had shackled their people.</p><p> The Seldarine, who advocated intolerance and bigotry, were abandoned. Likewise, the humanoids abandoned their dieties of destruction and evil. (actually, the humanoids had done this long ago.)</p><p></p><p> Eventually, the Humanoid League joined the United Commonwealth of Toril, and all of Faerun was united under it's banner (except for the Nations of the Chosen only.)</p><p> Within the vast expanse, both physical and intellectual, of the UCT, the elves/humanoids flourished and grew.</p><p> Eventually some of them would come to match the phaerimm in magical might, while others would match the eladrin and devae in moral quality. In lore and understanding, they far outstripped the old Heralds and Lorekeepers at Candlekeep, and some would come close to matching the Chronomancers of Ironfang Keep.</p><p> In unity and peace, they found that they had more diversity of opinions of beliefs than the old elves could ever have dreamed of, and any kind of thinking and behavior was tolerable - so long as it was not intentionally destructive to others. For THAT, behavior intentionally harmful or deadly to others, was not tolerated.</p><p></p><p> In the 3rd IR, the elves/humanoids played a crucial role in saving Realmspace from the deprivations occurring in Greyspace.</p><p> And when the final blow from the Church of Shade came, and threatened to destroy Realmspace once and for all, the lofty thinking that had come to epitomize the UCT, and which had spread from it to so many other Crystal Spheres, thwarted the forces of darkness and made possible the creation of the Demiplane of Hope.</p><p> </p><p> The Demiplane of Hope.</p><p> The new home of Realmspace, and of the Elves of Evermeet melded with the humanoids into one people.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> And that is the story.</p><p> If you believe that it is strange, for an elf and a kobold to live together, or mate, or have children, then this story explains why it happened.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 848671, member: 2020"] [b]The Point[/b] Everything above is why the Elves of Evermeet joined with Forrester. When Evermeet was destroyed, the elves were not allowed into Arvandor. Corellon and Sehanine had no use for elves who would wreck the magic of a Crystal Sphere over technomancy. The Elves of Evermeet were doomed to remain on Toril as ghosts, helpless, while the change they fought so hard against came about anyways - came on a scale they had not dreamed of when they threw the magic-annulling ceremony. The Elves of Evermeet, including the Gold Elves, learned something from this. It isn't clear what they learned, but certainly they had plenty of time to contemplate and attain understanding while they remained in the netherworld of unlife. And they decided that, if they were given a second chance, that they would start anew, with open minds. They decided to change their ways, and to change with the changing world. To change from what they had been, into the unknown and unknowable future. However, before they got any chance at resurrection, the Elven Fleets of Retribution came to destroy Toril. The Elves of Evermeet went up into space to fight alongside their former enemies, the humanoids and scro, and all the other peoples of Toril, to save them. They had changed. They had become altrustic. They put aside past feuds. They put aside grievances (even if those grievances were well founded and justified.) The Elves of Evermeet, Sun Elves included, put aside their racism and bigotry, their hatred and their fear, to aid the peoples of Toril against a common enemy that was come to destroy humanoid, human, and demihuman alike. The fact that the attackers were elves, made no difference. Forrester won't admit it today (if you ask the person who plays that SN) but King Forrester was impressed by this. Forrester put aside his hostility to these shades of once elves. They were saving his people and his world. And because of the shock value of the spirits of elves attacking them, the attacking elves were thrown into chaos. Before they could turn their great weapons on the planet, the elven spirits from once Evermeet and their allies, the humans and humanoids and demihumans and neoillithid, and all the peoples of Toril, were upon them. Toril was saved. The Elven Fleets of Retribution were destroyed. Destroyed also, was the ancient hatred between elves and non-elves. It was a time of new beginnings. A new world, with new and very great possibilities. This was the beginning of the United Commonwealth of Toril, the enlightened and very good aligned supernation. Starting with the old Technomancy, the UCT would grow as peoples joined in, one after the other - first the old Shining South of Faerun, then Zakhara, then the denizens of the moon Selune, then the neoillithid, and many others. (And because they did, because they united in this way, they survived the Great Assault of the Illithid that was later to occur. Only a united Toril could have survived, but Toril HAD united, and could stand united against this or any other threat.) The Ceremony of the Church of Toril was performed. Among other truly powerful effects, one of the effects was to resurrect the elves of Evermeet. Not the Island itself. It was not returned. Only the actual elves were restored. Just as well. Evermeet belonged to the past - even had it been restored, the elves would not have remained there, for it stood for values and beliefs they had in large measure abandoned. The Elves of Evermeet, now the last elves of Realmspace, decided that their road lie down new and unexplored paths. As stated above, they had long ago decided this. The Elves of Evermeet, also believed they owed restitution to Toril for past wrongs committed, and especially for the anti-magic ceremony. Although partial restitution was achieved in the battle against the Fleets of Retribution, it was not enough. After a long debate, the decision was made that to unite with the humanoids was the best of the possible new roads to be taken. To unite with the humanoids, offered the greatest possibilities for a new and better world. A new and better world, in that diversity and sharing of cultures and ideas could be accomplished between elves and humanoids. Knowledge and insights could be mutually understood. All would benefit from this sharing. True peace and unity could be attained, and peace and unity were something desirable. And, the elves were forced to acknowledge their kinsmanship with the humanoids, for it was there to see and they could not now deny it. In other words, the elves WERE humanoids themselves, but had deceived themselves into thinking otherwise, but now the truth was laid bare. Queen Amlaruil had not returned with the great resurrection, so her eldest daughter assuming Queenship of the Elves. And she gave herself to King Forrester as his concubine. King Forrester accepted, and (I remember he was quite astounded) Forrester agreed to the Unity of Elves and Humanoids. After that, they merged into one people, within the Humanoid Confederation. The addition of the elves to the mix made of the humanoid peoples better peoples, for the elves that joined were truly enlightened, and they passed that enlightenment to those they joined. The humanoids (elves included) flourished, growing in lore and power, in beauty and strength, in understanding and wisdom, until their nation was comparable to the mighty United Commonwealth of Toril. In this the elves do not take credit, although some credit is due them. It is enough for them that they have found new ways, new avenues of exploration, new joys in life, and they had cast aside all the old ways and superstitions that had shackled their people. The Seldarine, who advocated intolerance and bigotry, were abandoned. Likewise, the humanoids abandoned their dieties of destruction and evil. (actually, the humanoids had done this long ago.) Eventually, the Humanoid League joined the United Commonwealth of Toril, and all of Faerun was united under it's banner (except for the Nations of the Chosen only.) Within the vast expanse, both physical and intellectual, of the UCT, the elves/humanoids flourished and grew. Eventually some of them would come to match the phaerimm in magical might, while others would match the eladrin and devae in moral quality. In lore and understanding, they far outstripped the old Heralds and Lorekeepers at Candlekeep, and some would come close to matching the Chronomancers of Ironfang Keep. In unity and peace, they found that they had more diversity of opinions of beliefs than the old elves could ever have dreamed of, and any kind of thinking and behavior was tolerable - so long as it was not intentionally destructive to others. For THAT, behavior intentionally harmful or deadly to others, was not tolerated. In the 3rd IR, the elves/humanoids played a crucial role in saving Realmspace from the deprivations occurring in Greyspace. And when the final blow from the Church of Shade came, and threatened to destroy Realmspace once and for all, the lofty thinking that had come to epitomize the UCT, and which had spread from it to so many other Crystal Spheres, thwarted the forces of darkness and made possible the creation of the Demiplane of Hope. The Demiplane of Hope. The new home of Realmspace, and of the Elves of Evermeet melded with the humanoids into one people. - - - And that is the story. If you believe that it is strange, for an elf and a kobold to live together, or mate, or have children, then this story explains why it happened. [/QUOTE]
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