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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 3993944" data-attributes="member: 29206">Unther had a distinct chicken-and-egg problem: it was relatively interesting, if a total real-world ripoff, in its original conception. The Time of Troubles set up a major plot in it, shaking up pretty much everything about it......and then nothing interesting ever happened there, metaplot wise, for almost as long as I've been alive. Unther was underutilized because TSR started a change that "ruined" it and then abandoned it like that, never touching it again. Maybe it's better off gone, but the whole storyline could have been handled better, either by TSR or by Wizards of the Coast.Gnomes and bards also have a heck of a lot of fans. Those two have just suffered from a lack of a clear conception for the former, and a lack of mechanical quality for the latter. To a lesser extent so do half-orcs, but a large segment of the players I know who like half-orcs are just as cool with being full orcs, or other "monstrous" races. I suppose I'm just waiting to see the details of the new version of the gnome to tell whether or not I approve of it, and pretty assured that bards will be back and retain the idea behind the class.As a sidenote, when a grouping has issues with mechanical quality rather than flavour, I'd be annoyed if WotC decided to remove it entirely rather than work to make it non-useless in the next edition. For example, I dearly hope the Avariel have not been quietly disappeared from 4e's Forgotten Realms. The winged elves were always a race that appealed to me, but their stats in 3e were *so* poor that I don't think I've ever seen a player choose to be one. As such, it's true that Avariel never saw play, but not for a lack of player interest.</blockquote>

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