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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 5377847" data-attributes="member: 518">As much as I love OSR and old school products, I cannot say I'm very excited about this either based on the track records or the past products of the people involved.&nbsp; Jim Ward of course needs no intro to the D20 fans fam with FFE and his tirades on these boards and others whenever he is slightly critisized. Jim is also responsible for alot of absolute garbage product in the 2E days, and now seemingly has the C&amp;C guys mesmerised by his &quot;old school cred&quot;. Barring the flashes in the pan of MA/GW &amp; G,DG,H/D&amp;DG he has done little work to remember in a positive light.Mentzer's claim to fame is editing out the BECMI as Merric stated, but again has no memorable writing of adventures or other OSR type products. Frankly, (no pun intended) I thought TOEE was awful. I really wish Gary had been able to complete/write that entire product.Tim? Well Tim is an editor- and he's been GREAT for quotes in my sig lines over the years <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I always loved his introductions in the LBBs and the AD&amp;D books, and he did a great job with The Dragon, but again- what adventure/gaming material has he done of note?I believe Chris Clark is the guy who was originally doing Lejendary Adventures, and used to post alot over at lejendary.com&nbsp; I do believe I read some of his LA work about 10 years ago&nbsp; (an adventure or something) and enjoyed it. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.I don't always agree with James Maliszewski, but I enjoy his column&nbsp; more often than not, and in this case, (and not misunderstood/taken out of context like it seems to have been) he's right- PF &amp; SW,&nbsp; fine games they may on their own merit, are def not part of the OSR market. If the EE folks feel otherwise, then I would say they are definitely out of touch.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 5377847, member: 518"] As much as I love OSR and old school products, I cannot say I'm very excited about this either based on the track records or the past products of the people involved. Jim Ward of course needs no intro to the D20 fans fam with FFE and his tirades on these boards and others whenever he is slightly critisized. Jim is also responsible for alot of absolute garbage product in the 2E days, and now seemingly has the C&C guys mesmerised by his "old school cred". Barring the flashes in the pan of MA/GW & G,DG,H/D&DG he has done little work to remember in a positive light. Mentzer's claim to fame is editing out the BECMI as Merric stated, but again has no memorable writing of adventures or other OSR type products. Frankly, (no pun intended) I thought TOEE was awful. I really wish Gary had been able to complete/write that entire product. Tim? Well Tim is an editor- and he's been GREAT for quotes in my sig lines over the years ;) I always loved his introductions in the LBBs and the AD&D books, and he did a great job with The Dragon, but again- what adventure/gaming material has he done of note? I believe Chris Clark is the guy who was originally doing Lejendary Adventures, and used to post alot over at lejendary.com I do believe I read some of his LA work about 10 years ago (an adventure or something) and enjoyed it. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't always agree with James Maliszewski, but I enjoy his column more often than not, and in this case, (and not misunderstood/taken out of context like it seems to have been) he's right- PF & SW, fine games they may on their own merit, are def not part of the OSR market. If the EE folks feel otherwise, then I would say they are definitely out of touch. [/QUOTE]

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