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<blockquote data-quote="Warrior Poet" data-source="post: 2367751" data-attributes="member: 1057"><p>Frazetta is the king. I don't know much about Vallejo, but I'm betting he was influenced by Frazetta, even if only indirectly. Frankly, most classic fantasy art after the 60s drew from Frazetta.</p><p></p><p>Vallejo's style is very different, and doesn't have atmosphere the way Frazetta does. With a Frazetta painting, I always get the feeling that something's <strong>happening.</strong> With Vallejo, I always get the feeling I've stumbled upon a studio set up. There's no denying Vallejo's level of detail, but just because CGI made it possible to define all the hairs on Yoda's head, doesn't mean it made the character better than the puppet version.</p><p></p><p>Vallejo is really into body-building, hence all his males look like, well, body builders, and his females all look like, uh, well, body builders.</p><p></p><p>Frazetta's males look gritty, dishevelled, dirty, tough, energetic, fierce, powerful, savage, alive. Frazetta's females look sultry, beautiful, sexy, mysterious, subtle, zaftig, sorcerous, healthy, powerful, interesting.</p><p></p><p>Environments, most of Vallejo's, frankly, seem to fade into the background. In Frazetta, he doesn't necessarily have much environment, but when he does, it's very distinctive: off the top of my head I can picture the snowy mountain range in the Frost Giants picture, or the undersea bubles and the strange watery lighting of the Sea Monster, or the pillar against which the savage queen leans. It's always dark and dynamic. The feeling I get from a Frazetta painting is that there's a world there, a context, more to the image than what I see and it exists beyond the edges of the canvas, and is waiting to be explored, like there's more paintings to be discovered. With Vallejo, I get the feeling that it's just a painting, decoration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Many times.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on your standards of "good." Is it well written? No. It has some of the worst dialogue you'll hear in a fantasy film, and the voice acting (with a few exceptions, such as the voices of King Jarol and Darkwolf) is lousy. Visually, it's great. A lot of the still artwork is Frazetta's, and the animation work is Bakshi. People seem to either love Bakshi or hate him. I like his work (his <em>Lord of the Rings</em> excepted), and the rotoscoping technique works when it's used (sparingly, which is important) in the film. The fantasy story behind the film is great, the action sequences are cool, the setting is interesting, and when I first saw the film many moons ago as a wee child, it was cool to see a cartoon where there was actual fighting that resulting in actual injury/death (compare/contrast with, say the <em>G.I. Joe</em> cartoon of the 80s). There are prehistoric monsters, sword battles, betrayals, deception, a really cool imagining of magic and wizardry, dense jungles, epic chases, and scantily clad women drawn in a classic Frazetta style (they're healthy, beautiful women with wonderfully curvaceous bodies, not ridiculously out-of-proportion celery stick supermodels).</p><p></p><p>I love it.</p><p></p><p>Is it good? No, probably not. Is it great fun? You bet.</p><p></p><p>Warrior Poet</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warrior Poet, post: 2367751, member: 1057"] Frazetta is the king. I don't know much about Vallejo, but I'm betting he was influenced by Frazetta, even if only indirectly. Frankly, most classic fantasy art after the 60s drew from Frazetta. Vallejo's style is very different, and doesn't have atmosphere the way Frazetta does. With a Frazetta painting, I always get the feeling that something's [B]happening.[/B] With Vallejo, I always get the feeling I've stumbled upon a studio set up. There's no denying Vallejo's level of detail, but just because CGI made it possible to define all the hairs on Yoda's head, doesn't mean it made the character better than the puppet version. Vallejo is really into body-building, hence all his males look like, well, body builders, and his females all look like, uh, well, body builders. Frazetta's males look gritty, dishevelled, dirty, tough, energetic, fierce, powerful, savage, alive. Frazetta's females look sultry, beautiful, sexy, mysterious, subtle, zaftig, sorcerous, healthy, powerful, interesting. Environments, most of Vallejo's, frankly, seem to fade into the background. In Frazetta, he doesn't necessarily have much environment, but when he does, it's very distinctive: off the top of my head I can picture the snowy mountain range in the Frost Giants picture, or the undersea bubles and the strange watery lighting of the Sea Monster, or the pillar against which the savage queen leans. It's always dark and dynamic. The feeling I get from a Frazetta painting is that there's a world there, a context, more to the image than what I see and it exists beyond the edges of the canvas, and is waiting to be explored, like there's more paintings to be discovered. With Vallejo, I get the feeling that it's just a painting, decoration. Many times. Depends on your standards of "good." Is it well written? No. It has some of the worst dialogue you'll hear in a fantasy film, and the voice acting (with a few exceptions, such as the voices of King Jarol and Darkwolf) is lousy. Visually, it's great. A lot of the still artwork is Frazetta's, and the animation work is Bakshi. People seem to either love Bakshi or hate him. I like his work (his [I]Lord of the Rings[/I] excepted), and the rotoscoping technique works when it's used (sparingly, which is important) in the film. The fantasy story behind the film is great, the action sequences are cool, the setting is interesting, and when I first saw the film many moons ago as a wee child, it was cool to see a cartoon where there was actual fighting that resulting in actual injury/death (compare/contrast with, say the [I]G.I. Joe[/I] cartoon of the 80s). There are prehistoric monsters, sword battles, betrayals, deception, a really cool imagining of magic and wizardry, dense jungles, epic chases, and scantily clad women drawn in a classic Frazetta style (they're healthy, beautiful women with wonderfully curvaceous bodies, not ridiculously out-of-proportion celery stick supermodels). I love it. Is it good? No, probably not. Is it great fun? You bet. Warrior Poet [/QUOTE]
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