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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 1777843" data-attributes="member: 12332"><p>Which is, I think, the point. If you think of one POSSIBLE scenario you might think it odd. "Well, if the bum buys a thousand sandwiches, his wealth will NEVER reduce!!" But does the bum buy only a thousand sandwiches, one a day, for eternity? </p><p></p><p>It's like the question: "Would you rather get a dollar a day for five hundred days or one hundred dollars today?" Does the dollar-a-day guy get more money? Yes and no. If this ONE ASPECT is the only thing that occurs in either life (nothing but a dollar a day, nothing but 100 dollars) then yes. But the UTILITY VALUE of that dollar a day is less because more occurs in your daily life than is covered by a dollar a day. If you have a 50 dollar debt you need to pay off or it'll accrue at a huge rate, you may never actually pay it off with 1 dollar a day instead of 100 dollars today. Likewise the guy with 100 dollars may invest it in something that will net him a return of far more than 500 dollars in the course of two years. If you focus narrowly on one very specific question, the abstract system breaks down ... you're SPECIFICALLY breaking the abstraction by asking a non-abstracted question ... thing is, that non-abstracted question has no relation to the real world.</p><p></p><p>Nobody buys only one sandwich a day for a million years. Other things happen to that individual. His Wealth Bonus isn't made up of just that 100 dollar bill ... it's an abstracted assumption that he in some way has outputs and inputs that don't matter enough to be individually tracked ... he finds a quarter, he washes a windsheild, he buys coffee with his sandwich one day and a beer the next ... the only time it warrants consideration is when THE STORY involves something to warrant consideration. 100 dollars is enough money to warrant consideration for somebody in that situation. That's what the changing of the wealth bonus means. 100 dollars doesn't affect Bill Gates because, to him, 100 dollars isn't a big enough deal to warrant the consideration of the story.</p><p></p><p>So you don't BUY 100000 sleeping bags, so 10000 sleeping bags isn't really something to complain about. What the Wealth system says is that guy with +20 Wealth isn't going to notice buying a sleeping bag once. That's not a big enough deal for him for it to warrant notice within the story. But buying 1000 sleeping bags is. If he needs 1000 sleeping bags NOW, that's a story element, and we find how much all those bags are worth and THAT affects his Wealth. </p><p></p><p>You don't buy 1000 Glock Pistols one at a time. Another complaint I've seen is that anything over 15 reduces your wealth by 1. So a guy with +250 wealth goes broke after buying 15 Glocks, right? No. Because you don't buy 1000 Glocks one at a time doing nothing else every day but buying a single glock and going home. If you buy 1000 Glocks, you buy them all at once, in a lot, and the DC is something like 50 and you lose one Wealth because you're sickly rich and know how to buy 1000 glocks. It's only slightly a story element for that individual.</p><p></p><p>--fje</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 1777843, member: 12332"] Which is, I think, the point. If you think of one POSSIBLE scenario you might think it odd. "Well, if the bum buys a thousand sandwiches, his wealth will NEVER reduce!!" But does the bum buy only a thousand sandwiches, one a day, for eternity? It's like the question: "Would you rather get a dollar a day for five hundred days or one hundred dollars today?" Does the dollar-a-day guy get more money? Yes and no. If this ONE ASPECT is the only thing that occurs in either life (nothing but a dollar a day, nothing but 100 dollars) then yes. But the UTILITY VALUE of that dollar a day is less because more occurs in your daily life than is covered by a dollar a day. If you have a 50 dollar debt you need to pay off or it'll accrue at a huge rate, you may never actually pay it off with 1 dollar a day instead of 100 dollars today. Likewise the guy with 100 dollars may invest it in something that will net him a return of far more than 500 dollars in the course of two years. If you focus narrowly on one very specific question, the abstract system breaks down ... you're SPECIFICALLY breaking the abstraction by asking a non-abstracted question ... thing is, that non-abstracted question has no relation to the real world. Nobody buys only one sandwich a day for a million years. Other things happen to that individual. His Wealth Bonus isn't made up of just that 100 dollar bill ... it's an abstracted assumption that he in some way has outputs and inputs that don't matter enough to be individually tracked ... he finds a quarter, he washes a windsheild, he buys coffee with his sandwich one day and a beer the next ... the only time it warrants consideration is when THE STORY involves something to warrant consideration. 100 dollars is enough money to warrant consideration for somebody in that situation. That's what the changing of the wealth bonus means. 100 dollars doesn't affect Bill Gates because, to him, 100 dollars isn't a big enough deal to warrant the consideration of the story. So you don't BUY 100000 sleeping bags, so 10000 sleeping bags isn't really something to complain about. What the Wealth system says is that guy with +20 Wealth isn't going to notice buying a sleeping bag once. That's not a big enough deal for him for it to warrant notice within the story. But buying 1000 sleeping bags is. If he needs 1000 sleeping bags NOW, that's a story element, and we find how much all those bags are worth and THAT affects his Wealth. You don't buy 1000 Glock Pistols one at a time. Another complaint I've seen is that anything over 15 reduces your wealth by 1. So a guy with +250 wealth goes broke after buying 15 Glocks, right? No. Because you don't buy 1000 Glocks one at a time doing nothing else every day but buying a single glock and going home. If you buy 1000 Glocks, you buy them all at once, in a lot, and the DC is something like 50 and you lose one Wealth because you're sickly rich and know how to buy 1000 glocks. It's only slightly a story element for that individual. --fje [/QUOTE]
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