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<blockquote data-quote="Grimstaff" data-source="post: 3686042" data-attributes="member: 34880">Not your imagination at all, just take a look at the author(s). 1E stuff was by Ed Greenwood, fan of Conan, Elric, etc. 2E stuff was done by TSR's hired guns. First thing they did was go in and butcher the setting (albeit with Greenwood's cooperation, but hey, he was still working as a librarian at the time, iirc, and the paycheck was not to be turned down) with a little storyline known as the &quot;Time of Troubles&quot; (boy was it ever&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; ) , setting the stage for the release of 2E with FR as the new flagship setting, in the hopes of finally laying the troublesome Gygax legacy of Grayhawk to rest. The setting also became (not unlike Dragonlance) a vehicle for some pretty bad, hack fiction, a lot of which was unfortunately offically adopted as &quot;canon&quot; for the RPG products.All silly edition problems aside, most of the 1E stuff was material Greenwood wrote and perfected and actually played over several years, so there is a lot more depth and congruity, whereas alot of the 2E stuff was written with both a deadline and a bottom line to consider. For some quick comparisons, look at &quot;Undermountain&quot;(1e) and &quot;Undermountain2&quot; (2e), or look at &quot;Waterdeep and the North&quot;(1e) and &quot;City System&quot;(2E). The change from dense, playtested, &quot;dark&quot; fantasy to fluffy, hit or miss, &quot;happy&quot; fantasy should be readily apparent. Not that nothing good was done under the auspices of 2E, but the change in tone was obvious and somewhat disappointing, imho.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grimstaff, post: 3686042, member: 34880"] Not your imagination at all, just take a look at the author(s). 1E stuff was by Ed Greenwood, fan of Conan, Elric, etc. 2E stuff was done by TSR's hired guns. First thing they did was go in and butcher the setting (albeit with Greenwood's cooperation, but hey, he was still working as a librarian at the time, iirc, and the paycheck was not to be turned down) with a little storyline known as the "Time of Troubles" (boy was it ever ;) ) , setting the stage for the release of 2E with FR as the new flagship setting, in the hopes of finally laying the troublesome Gygax legacy of Grayhawk to rest. The setting also became (not unlike Dragonlance) a vehicle for some pretty bad, hack fiction, a lot of which was unfortunately offically adopted as "canon" for the RPG products. All silly edition problems aside, most of the 1E stuff was material Greenwood wrote and perfected and actually played over several years, so there is a lot more depth and congruity, whereas alot of the 2E stuff was written with both a deadline and a bottom line to consider. For some quick comparisons, look at "Undermountain"(1e) and "Undermountain2" (2e), or look at "Waterdeep and the North"(1e) and "City System"(2E). The change from dense, playtested, "dark" fantasy to fluffy, hit or miss, "happy" fantasy should be readily apparent. Not that nothing good was done under the auspices of 2E, but the change in tone was obvious and somewhat disappointing, imho. [/QUOTE]

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