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<blockquote data-quote="Grimstaff" data-source="post: 3686058" data-attributes="member: 34880">3E FR stuff seems to be a mixed bag, at least imo. I think the basic 3.0 campaign setting is one of the best books WotC has done to date for d20, a real surprise with no fluff, wasted space, or filler, and the maps are beautiful, definitely a worthy update to the setting. Really a fantastic book. Just compare to the basic Eberron book. Read a few entries from each, and you'll see what I mean. Put the maps side by side (no don't really, you'll just mad you spent so much money on Eberron&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; ). BTW, I'm comparing books not settings, so put your flamethrowers away, Eberron groupies! You know who you are... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The sourcebooks to come after have been kind of hit or miss, never outright awful, but seldom groundbreaking either. I have to say my favorite is Lost Empires of Faerun, a great resource for DMs to mine for adventure ideas for any campaign setting, and certainly a must for anyone DMing FR.Edit: I should add that in all the editions and various versions, no version of Waterdeep has the utility, atmosphere, and panache of the original 1E Waterdeep book, I still used it in my last FR (3.5) camaign. Pick it up off Ebay or download the .pdf from Paizo if you're running FR, you'll be glad you did.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grimstaff, post: 3686058, member: 34880"] 3E FR stuff seems to be a mixed bag, at least imo. I think the basic 3.0 campaign setting is one of the best books WotC has done to date for d20, a real surprise with no fluff, wasted space, or filler, and the maps are beautiful, definitely a worthy update to the setting. Really a fantastic book. Just compare to the basic Eberron book. Read a few entries from each, and you'll see what I mean. Put the maps side by side (no don't really, you'll just mad you spent so much money on Eberron ;) ). BTW, I'm comparing books not settings, so put your flamethrowers away, Eberron groupies! You know who you are... :D The sourcebooks to come after have been kind of hit or miss, never outright awful, but seldom groundbreaking either. I have to say my favorite is Lost Empires of Faerun, a great resource for DMs to mine for adventure ideas for any campaign setting, and certainly a must for anyone DMing FR. Edit: I should add that in all the editions and various versions, no version of Waterdeep has the utility, atmosphere, and panache of the original 1E Waterdeep book, I still used it in my last FR (3.5) camaign. Pick it up off Ebay or download the .pdf from Paizo if you're running FR, you'll be glad you did. [/QUOTE]

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