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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 5827412" data-attributes="member: 1861">And you're defining on the spot. Wilderness Guide, UA, Dungeoneer's came up to create things that people had been resolving using the rules as presented in them. The same can be said of 1e that can be said of 3e because rules were created to fill in every gap as they were seen... And 3e had many of the gaps pre-filled in Core because they were seen in earlier editions.Claiming one edition or anothermakes for a specific type is true and false at the same time. 1e's math defined a PC through some of the same methods as 3e but 3e had inflation in places where 1/2e didn't.  1/2e also had bloat as much as 3e by the end and allowedfor most of your complaints.I remember the '3e exclusive' issue you are raising being raised in my 1e and 2e games. I remember the giant binders, boxes upon boxes of books, etc. Sadly we don't seem to.catch up to the argument until we look back at those (false) salad days.Slainte,-Loonook.ps: mobile entry in a car driving down a bouncy crap road... Pardon my caps or punctuation.</blockquote>