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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 4883303" data-attributes="member: 6562">You mean players aren't all game designers? That's true, but irrelevant... unless you're trying to assert nobody should think like a game designer? That would be relevant, but absurd.If you had a point worth making here, could you clarify it? Address my arguments, please, not what you think I -actually- understand. That's called an Extended Rest. It's already in the game.Trying to cheese in a semi-extended-rest-but-it-only-took-half-an-hour adds nothing mechanically, and takes away the clarity of the current system: players tend to know when a short rest is likely to be safe, and when an extended rest is appropriate, without excessive meta-game hints. Are there really games where people don't count healing surges? This is the first I've heard of that particular "house rule". Could you link to someone discussing a game like that? I'm honestly amazed. Of course it does, because fighting a combat with full hit points and all healing surges available is different than having -12 hit points and only three surges left.This is even more obvious when we consider skill challenges and monsters that directly consume healing surges, like certain undead. -- N</blockquote>