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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 8484753" data-attributes="member: 42040"><p>Not trying to start a thread war, but wanted to address a few statements.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Foundry could (and have) delete modules based around content they don't have a license to provide. GW could pull the modules for WFRP and forbid its sale, updating, etc on the site. The very next time there's a Foundry update, your existing modules you've downloaded could be incompatible. You could no longer play that game or use the purchased content on that service. This has happened with Foundry, Roll20, and Fantasy Grounds already.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not the only possiblity, and it's not necessarily going to happen tomorrow, but it WILL happen. Companies will move on from their present editions. Certain VTTs will fold (see Astral). When you purchase rights to use something online, you're not getting an evergreen product. You're getting a license to use it temporarily on the terms of the platform.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not dissolved, but it is growing less practical to play in person. If I'm the only person to think this way, please let me know.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is every person purchasing online AND print? If not, then online must be effecting print to some extent.</p><p>I can guarantee there are people who purchase some stuff only on D&D Beyond who (if not given the choice) would've purchased a print copy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The specific instance I cited with the D&D Beyond Importer on Foundry as a Patreon service was a fact, documented with a C&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but if you want to use your purchased content, you have to subscribe, putting a second paywall between you and your content.</p><p></p><p>That's true. So you do admit that you don't own your purchases, that they can be pulled from you even through no fault of your own? (Like if Fantasy Grounds changes to a new operating system, forces you to pay a new fee if you want to continue to use your content? Roll20 increases its fees for you to access previously purchased content? A game company decides to switch platforms to go from VTT A to VTT B?) </p><p></p><p></p><p>Wait? I said what? Nope, I've always been a librarian since 9/96. I don't know if you're misreading something or confusing me with someone else, but trust me, this close to retirement I'm not forgetting how long I've been working there. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Most publishers use PDFs - except, you know, WotC, which is kind of a big deal.</p><p>The main point is subscription to online tools, databases, articles, VTT content. That's stuff that can be yanked away at a moment's notice. And I can say that since I've purchased some stuff on Roll20, that's material that's as good as gone as soon as 1) I stop subscribing; or 2) WotC pulls their products [possibly to support their upcoming proprietary VTT]; or 3) Roll20 closes shop; or 4) Roll20 changes their programming to not run on my computer; or 5) their services go down because of peak traffic; or 6) I have a random Internet outage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 8484753, member: 42040"] Not trying to start a thread war, but wanted to address a few statements. Foundry could (and have) delete modules based around content they don't have a license to provide. GW could pull the modules for WFRP and forbid its sale, updating, etc on the site. The very next time there's a Foundry update, your existing modules you've downloaded could be incompatible. You could no longer play that game or use the purchased content on that service. This has happened with Foundry, Roll20, and Fantasy Grounds already. It's not the only possiblity, and it's not necessarily going to happen tomorrow, but it WILL happen. Companies will move on from their present editions. Certain VTTs will fold (see Astral). When you purchase rights to use something online, you're not getting an evergreen product. You're getting a license to use it temporarily on the terms of the platform. It's not dissolved, but it is growing less practical to play in person. If I'm the only person to think this way, please let me know. Is every person purchasing online AND print? If not, then online must be effecting print to some extent. I can guarantee there are people who purchase some stuff only on D&D Beyond who (if not given the choice) would've purchased a print copy. The specific instance I cited with the D&D Beyond Importer on Foundry as a Patreon service was a fact, documented with a C&D. Yes, but if you want to use your purchased content, you have to subscribe, putting a second paywall between you and your content. That's true. So you do admit that you don't own your purchases, that they can be pulled from you even through no fault of your own? (Like if Fantasy Grounds changes to a new operating system, forces you to pay a new fee if you want to continue to use your content? Roll20 increases its fees for you to access previously purchased content? A game company decides to switch platforms to go from VTT A to VTT B?) Wait? I said what? Nope, I've always been a librarian since 9/96. I don't know if you're misreading something or confusing me with someone else, but trust me, this close to retirement I'm not forgetting how long I've been working there. ;) Yes. Most publishers use PDFs - except, you know, WotC, which is kind of a big deal. The main point is subscription to online tools, databases, articles, VTT content. That's stuff that can be yanked away at a moment's notice. And I can say that since I've purchased some stuff on Roll20, that's material that's as good as gone as soon as 1) I stop subscribing; or 2) WotC pulls their products [possibly to support their upcoming proprietary VTT]; or 3) Roll20 closes shop; or 4) Roll20 changes their programming to not run on my computer; or 5) their services go down because of peak traffic; or 6) I have a random Internet outage. [/QUOTE]
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