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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8783420" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Equally, a definition of Sci-Fi that includes Star Wars wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. If Star Wars is science fiction, then I can turn any fantasy story into science fiction just by adding a space ship to it, even if the space ship flies at the same speed of a WWII prop plane and moves like it is in an atmosphere and shoots tracer bullets and is carrying around a space wizard and his farm boy apprentice on a mission to rescue a princess from a dark knight.</p><p></p><p>There is a long history of arguing over the definition of science fiction, and unlike what some people have proposed on this thread, it really doesn't have anything to do with trying to exclude women from the community. The term is admittedly slippery but I think there is value in trying to define it because in doing so it helps clarify to you what is really going on in different stories.</p><p></p><p>It's not about excluding anything. If that was the case, wouldn't the label "science fiction" itself be excluding those works from the body of human literature? I mean, you will in fact find authors, editors and critics doing that. We live in a time "science fiction" as a term has become very respectable, but people these days often forget that like "nerd" the term "science fiction" was a hard insult. I find it amusing that people are now fighting to have their work viewed as "science fiction" when for the longest time the term meant in many circles "trash", "pulp" and to quote one editor of encyclopedia of literary terms I used as a source in high school "novels characterized most by their commitment to novelty as opposed to other literary arts". You'll be able to find quote by writers of science fiction who tried to distance themselves from the uncool term because they wanted acceptance and respect in wider literary circles. Now all the sudden "science fiction" is cool, and people want to be on the inside like the term is membership in a club, and apparently that's your definition of the word because you write:</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not a club. It's not about being shut out of a party.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8783420, member: 4937"] Equally, a definition of Sci-Fi that includes Star Wars wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. If Star Wars is science fiction, then I can turn any fantasy story into science fiction just by adding a space ship to it, even if the space ship flies at the same speed of a WWII prop plane and moves like it is in an atmosphere and shoots tracer bullets and is carrying around a space wizard and his farm boy apprentice on a mission to rescue a princess from a dark knight. There is a long history of arguing over the definition of science fiction, and unlike what some people have proposed on this thread, it really doesn't have anything to do with trying to exclude women from the community. The term is admittedly slippery but I think there is value in trying to define it because in doing so it helps clarify to you what is really going on in different stories. It's not about excluding anything. If that was the case, wouldn't the label "science fiction" itself be excluding those works from the body of human literature? I mean, you will in fact find authors, editors and critics doing that. We live in a time "science fiction" as a term has become very respectable, but people these days often forget that like "nerd" the term "science fiction" was a hard insult. I find it amusing that people are now fighting to have their work viewed as "science fiction" when for the longest time the term meant in many circles "trash", "pulp" and to quote one editor of encyclopedia of literary terms I used as a source in high school "novels characterized most by their commitment to novelty as opposed to other literary arts". You'll be able to find quote by writers of science fiction who tried to distance themselves from the uncool term because they wanted acceptance and respect in wider literary circles. Now all the sudden "science fiction" is cool, and people want to be on the inside like the term is membership in a club, and apparently that's your definition of the word because you write: It's not a club. It's not about being shut out of a party. [/QUOTE]
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