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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6144974" data-attributes="member: 48965">So the unbridled power of a released god in 4e is level 13... unless of course the PC's are a different level, ugh!!. This is exactly one of those sticking points that rubs many DM's the wrong way in 4e. As to your second point, the DM put the same effect on the monster (150 points of damage) as he did the PC's with no save, attack roll, etc. So I don't really see it as "unfair". Now yes he could have used a lower damage number and that may have been (depending on what he was trying to achieve) a mistake. As far as declaring an auto-hit... well let's not pretend 4e doesn't have auto-hit attacks (the prime culprit being magic missile) so again there is a precedent for it and he applied it equally to players and monsters.Eh, Dm's playing calvinball... especially if they are improvising is not in and of itself a bad thing... and again, where is there a rule that anything built by the DM must be level appropriate? In every edition prior to 4e (and yes, I include 3.x because the math behind CR's was still more art than math) DM's created stuff however they wanted to and tons of players and DM's had fun and enjoyed their games. Now I understand your preference is for the DM to be mathematically constrained by 4e's guidelines but that doesn't logically lead to... if a DM doesn't follow 4e's guidelines or is exercising his creativity (as opposed to measurement and math skills) in making things up then...1. He is a horrible DM2. It is a horrible game 3. There is a problemJust wanted to clear that up.It was badly done in your oppinion. A DM choosing not to follow the rules (and like I said, though small, there is a precedent for some auto-hit attacks in 4e) is certainly within his perojative even in 4e since these are just guidelines. Messing with the characters... I need to understand this better... is it because of the ressurection? If so wouldn't the DM ruling they couldn't be brought back be messing with the agency of the warlock? And like was suggested earlier in the thread they could have just killed themselves when they were brought back... but they didn't.</blockquote>

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