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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6145059" data-attributes="member: 5143">Perhaps.  Though what you consider "suffering", I consider mild discomfort and sometimes mild amusement over his constant grumbling about people to the point of absurdity.  He's told me how if he was in charge, he'd hold a lottery to kill off 80-90% of the population to get rid of the majority of people so he didn't have to worry about being around them all the time.Then again, his schizophrenia manifests itself as paranoia most of the time.  He constantly thinks people are staring at him and out to get him.  Or at least he does when he isn't on medication.  I suspect, however, that the medication doesn't remove these feelings entirely, just lowers their intensity to the point where he feels that people are out to get him in small ways....like a DM ruling against him in a game.I've gotten used to listening to his grumbling, laughing at it and moving on.At the risk of adding to the edition warring, I'd like to say that despite my love of 4e, it does have some issues.  Jim isn't the only one with that mindset towards the game.The composition of our group has changed a bunch in the last 2 years.  Previously, we had at least 3 more members who were nearly as bad as Jim was.As soon as someone noticed that an AC was 2 points higher than what they expected, there would be huge complaints about how the monsters were impossible to hit because the DM was changing the rules.I had one player who literally showed up with a new character every session because he got bored of them that easily.  He didn't so much roleplay as create character builds and revel in how much damage/healing/control/whatever they did.  He'd basically play a session and go "Look, I stunned all the enemies every round for an entire combat.  Isn't that awesome?  Well, now that that's done, I have another character who can heal everyone to full 20 times that I'd like to play."Jim created a character who teleported 1 square twice as a minor action at will.  Each time he teleported he did about 20 points of damage to all enemies adjacent to him without rolling.  He was doing 120 points of damage in an AOE without rolling.  However, this idea wasn't his to begin with.  Another one of our players in a different game played a variation on the character first to show how much damage he could do.  Jim saw it and thought it was awesome...but not good enough.  So he improved it and created the character for a different DM(at the time, we were playing 2 weekly games).One of our new players created a character that hits on a 2 against almost every enemy when he charges.  He does enough damage to bloody an enemy of his level in one hit.  When he charges, he goes invisible and becomes nearly impossible to hit.It's been my experience that when rules oriented players get a hold of 4e's rules, they tend to abuse them.Though, the damage they can wrought in 4e is completely insignificant compared to what those same players did in my 3.5e game.</blockquote>

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