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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kelimar" data-source="post: 6145578" data-attributes="member: 6747402">I have no complaint against players who build competent characters and wouldnt request that a player they handicap themselves or their character. However what I was trying to say was that the power gamers I have interacted with personally take building a character to a whole new level. These characters aren't simply competent their over powered. A good example would be a character that in fourth edition (not my campaign) could hand out so many defense buffs to his compatriots that the monsters literally couldn't roll high enough to hit them, on top of that that player (as well as the others who I consider to be "power gamers") has a strong tendency to when asked to make a new character because their current one is too overpowered, simply return the following session with a new equally overpowered character.also I find a lot of players who hold this mindset are unable to grasp that what they are doing is not only making running the game frustrating for the DM, but also actively decreasing the amount of fun that their cohorts have in any given session by a) taking away the challenge and b) making everyone else feel very unimpressive. Such players I.M.E only really enjoy the game when they are playing the all star of the party and showing everyone else up.that is where my complaints with power gamers are rooted.</blockquote>