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<blockquote data-quote="Lorehead" data-source="post: 2876084" data-attributes="member: 40086"><p>If I understand you properly, what you're saying is incorrect:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Enervation</em> produces a ray, and Split Ray can affect it (<em>Complete Arcane</em> 83).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The sentence in the 3.0 PH which said that you apply metamagic feats separately was removed in 3.5 (<em>PH</em> 88), and the FAQ confirms that you now get the compounded effect (<em>D&D v3.5 FAQ 5/24/06</em> 23).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your point that a sorcerer could accomplish the same thing by learning the spell and spending two feats is not well-taken. Suppose you gave the sorcerer a feat that let him spontaneously cast any spell on the sor/wiz list, using a higher-level slot. I do not think that such a feat would be balanced, even though any specific use of this trick is something he could do with a lower-level slot by other means.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Additionally, this gives the sorcerer spontaneous access to spells not on his class list at all, such as healing spells. The argument that he could cast these one level lower does not hold here.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This is <strong>one</strong> example, not of how powerful any one application of this feat is, but of how dramatically free <em>limited wishes</em> expand a sorcerer's spell list. An extremely limited feat and spell selection is supposed to balance the sorcerer against the wizard.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You speculated that, at epic levels, the extra power boost wouldn't matter. I disagree: metamagic versions of 6th-level spells stay relevant.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>Iron Will is definitely sub-optimal for a spellcaster, which helps. Knowlege (arcana) is a class skill for sorcerers. Knowledge (magic) does not appear to come from the core rules; if you have no house rules for it, it isn't a class skill for sorcerers at all, which puts this feat almost out of reach. The Cha prerequisite is almost tailor-made for sorcerers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd be surprised if this caused any problems with wizards. If a sorcerer does want to take it, I'd keep an eye out for trouble. It's possible that I'm concerned over nothing, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lorehead, post: 2876084, member: 40086"] If I understand you properly, what you're saying is incorrect: [list][*][i]Enervation[/i] produces a ray, and Split Ray can affect it ([i]Complete Arcane[/i] 83). [*]The sentence in the 3.0 PH which said that you apply metamagic feats separately was removed in 3.5 ([i]PH[/i] 88), and the FAQ confirms that you now get the compounded effect ([i]D&D v3.5 FAQ 5/24/06[/i] 23). [*]Your point that a sorcerer could accomplish the same thing by learning the spell and spending two feats is not well-taken. Suppose you gave the sorcerer a feat that let him spontaneously cast any spell on the sor/wiz list, using a higher-level slot. I do not think that such a feat would be balanced, even though any specific use of this trick is something he could do with a lower-level slot by other means. [*]Additionally, this gives the sorcerer spontaneous access to spells not on his class list at all, such as healing spells. The argument that he could cast these one level lower does not hold here. [*]This is [b]one[/b] example, not of how powerful any one application of this feat is, but of how dramatically free [i]limited wishes[/i] expand a sorcerer's spell list. An extremely limited feat and spell selection is supposed to balance the sorcerer against the wizard. [*]You speculated that, at epic levels, the extra power boost wouldn't matter. I disagree: metamagic versions of 6th-level spells stay relevant.[/list] Iron Will is definitely sub-optimal for a spellcaster, which helps. Knowlege (arcana) is a class skill for sorcerers. Knowledge (magic) does not appear to come from the core rules; if you have no house rules for it, it isn't a class skill for sorcerers at all, which puts this feat almost out of reach. The Cha prerequisite is almost tailor-made for sorcerers. I'd be surprised if this caused any problems with wizards. If a sorcerer does want to take it, I'd keep an eye out for trouble. It's possible that I'm concerned over nothing, though. [/QUOTE]
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