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<blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1448454" data-attributes="member: 743">But as he said, the guidelines do allow for making staves with 50 charges for a single spell which takes 50 charges to activate. If you make the staff sized for a tiny creature it takes up even less space than a scroll would, uses the activator's caster level and ability scores, and only has a market value of spell level * caster level * 15. That's why the DM has to step in and say &quot;sorry, those are only guidelines. Nice try though.&quot;&nbsp;Marshall: up until that one post you never even hinted that you were looking for a way to fix a perceived problem. Instead you were arguing for it, as if you planned on trying to use the loophole yourself in a game. That and your attempts to make staves that take ten charges per activation are why I quoted Trainz. &nbsp;Staves should be cheaper than scrolls in the long run because you &quot;buy in bulk.&quot; They should not be cheaper (and more powerful) one-shot items. There would rarely ever be any scrolls of 7th level spells if every 13th level caster could have Craft Staff and make staves that were cheaper and more powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James McMurray, post: 1448454, member: 743"] But as he said, the guidelines do allow for making staves with 50 charges for a single spell which takes 50 charges to activate. If you make the staff sized for a tiny creature it takes up even less space than a scroll would, uses the activator's caster level and ability scores, and only has a market value of spell level * caster level * 15. That's why the DM has to step in and say "sorry, those are only guidelines. Nice try though." Marshall: up until that one post you never even hinted that you were looking for a way to fix a perceived problem. Instead you were arguing for it, as if you planned on trying to use the loophole yourself in a game. That and your attempts to make staves that take ten charges per activation are why I quoted Trainz. Staves should be cheaper than scrolls in the long run because you "buy in bulk." They should not be cheaper (and more powerful) one-shot items. There would rarely ever be any scrolls of 7th level spells if every 13th level caster could have Craft Staff and make staves that were cheaper and more powerful. [/QUOTE]

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