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<blockquote data-quote="DM_Matt" data-source="post: 3612414" data-attributes="member: 1213"><p>Can we tell if these shadowy creatures are incorporeal? If they are not, I will go invisible (free action) open up with my SAW and Full (5) All-Out Attack, and take a five-foot step away. If I can see the yellow guy through cover with my scanners, I will try to hit him with the SAW as well, since I might as well try and it does so much damage that it might blast through a barrier or a wall and still hurt the guy...even without the Autofire 3 my "SAW" does the damage of a Space Battleship or a non-nuclear ICBM concentrated in mighty little energy packets that look like bullets. Otherwise, I'll have to buy an AP with a hero point, so since I cannot switch, I will go with my most flexible, a version of the MP5 with Affects Insubstantial 2 instead of that last point of Blast (making it Blast 9). I will turn invisible, shoot at all of them, all-out attacking for 5, power attacking for 1, while flying back at full speed (Thus +9 Attack, +15 damage), taking cover I can 5 foot step out of if possible. They don't get their dodge bonuses against me unless they can penetrate the invisibility, and have homing. I need to make a DC20 concentration check to use my SAW or MP5, and I have Second Chance for it.</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, if I can see and attack the yellow guy somehow, I'll do the SAW plan, trying mainly to hit him but I might as well go for the others, too.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, If any of the following are the case, I do not use a hero point to buy a ghost gun. (I do the highest-ranked one I can)</p><p>1. There is any evidence from previous characters interactions that energy blasts without special anti-ghost abilities will work. If they do, I try the SAW plan and hope that none of them get to me before my AC resets (Surge doesn't know he lost init, let alone if there will be more than one round...or if they can even see him)</p><p>1. By the time they get to me, the baddies are already largely taken care of, in which case I seize the security system. I assume it would not be possible to prevent the yellow guy for getting back in?</p><p>2. Mind Control is listed as a Sensory(Mental) power as its type, but I flawed its range down to ranged from perception. I can't find a rules reason why this would make its type change, however, so it seems that it is still a sensory effect and thus already affects insubstantial. If that is the case, I will turn invisible, use it on one of the baddies, and go back quite a bit and hide behind something solid (but that I can 5-foot-step form out behind, vertically or horizontally), watching the battle with my scanners. I will use move-by-attack if I must with this, if it is necessary to have moved while invis before attacking to make them lose their dodge bonus. I all-out attack for 5, hurting my defense but setting the Mind Control DC to Will 25. If I know that this work (i.e. if my mind control descriptors would not apply to these things anyway or does not have effects insubstantial), I don't do it.</p><p>3. If I can create a minion with animate machines, perhaps made of power station bits, which has a big powerful affects insubstantial blast, I will do that, go invisible, move a step, and order it to attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DM_Matt, post: 3612414, member: 1213"] Can we tell if these shadowy creatures are incorporeal? If they are not, I will go invisible (free action) open up with my SAW and Full (5) All-Out Attack, and take a five-foot step away. If I can see the yellow guy through cover with my scanners, I will try to hit him with the SAW as well, since I might as well try and it does so much damage that it might blast through a barrier or a wall and still hurt the guy...even without the Autofire 3 my "SAW" does the damage of a Space Battleship or a non-nuclear ICBM concentrated in mighty little energy packets that look like bullets. Otherwise, I'll have to buy an AP with a hero point, so since I cannot switch, I will go with my most flexible, a version of the MP5 with Affects Insubstantial 2 instead of that last point of Blast (making it Blast 9). I will turn invisible, shoot at all of them, all-out attacking for 5, power attacking for 1, while flying back at full speed (Thus +9 Attack, +15 damage), taking cover I can 5 foot step out of if possible. They don't get their dodge bonuses against me unless they can penetrate the invisibility, and have homing. I need to make a DC20 concentration check to use my SAW or MP5, and I have Second Chance for it. Alternatively, if I can see and attack the yellow guy somehow, I'll do the SAW plan, trying mainly to hit him but I might as well go for the others, too. Furthermore, If any of the following are the case, I do not use a hero point to buy a ghost gun. (I do the highest-ranked one I can) 1. There is any evidence from previous characters interactions that energy blasts without special anti-ghost abilities will work. If they do, I try the SAW plan and hope that none of them get to me before my AC resets (Surge doesn't know he lost init, let alone if there will be more than one round...or if they can even see him) 1. By the time they get to me, the baddies are already largely taken care of, in which case I seize the security system. I assume it would not be possible to prevent the yellow guy for getting back in? 2. Mind Control is listed as a Sensory(Mental) power as its type, but I flawed its range down to ranged from perception. I can't find a rules reason why this would make its type change, however, so it seems that it is still a sensory effect and thus already affects insubstantial. If that is the case, I will turn invisible, use it on one of the baddies, and go back quite a bit and hide behind something solid (but that I can 5-foot-step form out behind, vertically or horizontally), watching the battle with my scanners. I will use move-by-attack if I must with this, if it is necessary to have moved while invis before attacking to make them lose their dodge bonus. I all-out attack for 5, hurting my defense but setting the Mind Control DC to Will 25. If I know that this work (i.e. if my mind control descriptors would not apply to these things anyway or does not have effects insubstantial), I don't do it. 3. If I can create a minion with animate machines, perhaps made of power station bits, which has a big powerful affects insubstantial blast, I will do that, go invisible, move a step, and order it to attack. [/QUOTE]
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