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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3821871" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Let's say someone has Summoned a Large Earth Elemental, which is standing in a ten foot corridor. You have no ranks in Tumble.</p><p></p><p>If you have Freedom of Movement active, can you move past the Elemental blocking the corridor without resorting to Bull Rush or Overrun? He is the effect of a magic spell, and his presence prevents your movement through those squares.</p><p></p><p>What if you are Stunned as the result of a magical effect - for example, Power Word Stun? Is there a difference between "magic that usually impedes movement" and "spells and effects that restrict movement"?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree that a character who has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered should take no damage from Wall of Thorns.</p><p></p><p>Does Freedom of Movement grant this ability, though? Ignore Wall of Thorns, for the moment, and posit a naturally overgrown area of forest. Freedom of Movement arguably doesn't affect this - it is not a magical effect that impedes movement, a grapple, or underwater. </p><p></p><p>Compare the druid:</p><p>"A druid may move through any sort of undergrowth (such as natural thorns, briars, overgrown areas, and similar terrain) at her normal speed and without taking damage or suffering any other impairment. However, thorns, briars, and overgrown areas that have been magically manipulated to impede motion still affect her."</p><p></p><p>The druid certainly has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered. Does she have the ability to pass a Wall of Thorns, though? That seems to fit "thorns, briars, and overgrown areas that have been magically manipulated to impede motion", which still affect her, but Wall of Thorns contains the specific clause stating that the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered is a protection against Wall of Thorns.</p><p></p><p>By my reading, Wall of Thorns is an exception to the "magically manipulated" exclusion, so the druid suffers no loss of speed and takes no damage.</p><p></p><p>The Freedom of Movement character can move through the Wall of Thorns at full speed, but since, as I understand it, he is not a character who has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered - despite being able to move through magical effects unhindered - he takes damage as normal in so doing.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3821871, member: 1656"] Let's say someone has Summoned a Large Earth Elemental, which is standing in a ten foot corridor. You have no ranks in Tumble. If you have Freedom of Movement active, can you move past the Elemental blocking the corridor without resorting to Bull Rush or Overrun? He is the effect of a magic spell, and his presence prevents your movement through those squares. What if you are Stunned as the result of a magical effect - for example, Power Word Stun? Is there a difference between "magic that usually impedes movement" and "spells and effects that restrict movement"? I agree that a character who has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered should take no damage from Wall of Thorns. Does Freedom of Movement grant this ability, though? Ignore Wall of Thorns, for the moment, and posit a naturally overgrown area of forest. Freedom of Movement arguably doesn't affect this - it is not a magical effect that impedes movement, a grapple, or underwater. Compare the druid: "A druid may move through any sort of undergrowth (such as natural thorns, briars, overgrown areas, and similar terrain) at her normal speed and without taking damage or suffering any other impairment. However, thorns, briars, and overgrown areas that have been magically manipulated to impede motion still affect her." The druid certainly has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered. Does she have the ability to pass a Wall of Thorns, though? That seems to fit "thorns, briars, and overgrown areas that have been magically manipulated to impede motion", which still affect her, but Wall of Thorns contains the specific clause stating that the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered is a protection against Wall of Thorns. By my reading, Wall of Thorns is an exception to the "magically manipulated" exclusion, so the druid suffers no loss of speed and takes no damage. The Freedom of Movement character can move through the Wall of Thorns at full speed, but since, as I understand it, he is not a character who has the ability to pass through overgrown areas unhindered - despite being able to move through magical effects unhindered - he takes damage as normal in so doing. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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