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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1655195" data-attributes="member: 141">Ferret, you are introducing a whole different status for the body, and a weird status for the murkily defined soul.&nbsp; &quot;For all practical purposes it doesn't exist&quot;- but apparently the character still retains the body, and the body can still disappear under the right circumstances.&nbsp; And the body is apparently still taking constitution damage, even though it doesn't exist.&nbsp; What if the hit points drop below zero?&nbsp; Does it start to die, this body that &quot;for all practical purposes&quot; doesn't exist?&nbsp; Nothing is more practical than damage, death and dying!Apparently the soul and body can be reunited.&nbsp; How?&nbsp; A dispel magic and a successful save apparently makes the body reappear on the prime, but the soul is apparently still on the plane of shadow.&nbsp; Maybe the soul and body reunite when the spell ends?&nbsp; But you need a limited wish to reunite the soul and body.&nbsp; So what does happen when the spell ends?&nbsp; A mordenkainen's disjunction does &quot;this&quot; (fuse soul and body?) but &quot;reunites and fuses the soul and body.&quot;&nbsp; Does the &quot;but&quot; mean that &quot;this&quot; is something other than reuniting and fusing the soul and body?&nbsp; How is reuniting different from fusing?&nbsp; Can you fuse body and soul without reuniting them?&nbsp; Can you reunite soul and body without fusing them?&nbsp; I really don't understand what is supposed to be happening here.What happens if the subject of the spell is an intelligent undead (which has a soul)?&nbsp; What happens if you have no body (because you are incorporeal)?&nbsp; Irritating typos/errors: &quot;loose&quot; instead of &quot;lose,&quot; &quot;substenance&quot; instead of &quot;substance,&quot; &quot;they&quot; with a singular antecedent, &quot;effected&quot; instead of &quot;affected,&quot; &quot;residue... which take&quot; instead of &quot;residue... which takes&quot;, unnecessary commas, some spell names italicized and others not...My suggestion is to make the character incorporeal and give him a dex and str of 0 for the spell duration.&nbsp; Shift him or her to the adjacent plane of shadow, with only a vague outline indicating the character's presence.&nbsp; Spells and attacks cannot affect the character unless they can also affect the plane of shadow.&nbsp; (Magic weapons, ghost touch weapons and force effects can't do this, iirc.&nbsp; If the character was on the ethereal plane, perhaps, or if incorporeal, perhaps, but neither is the case.)&nbsp; While on the ethereal plane the character suffers bad effects (con damage if you like, or hit point loss).&nbsp; To end the spell prematurely you must go to the plane of shadow and cast dispel magic or the equivalent.&nbsp; Casting such spells on the prime has no effect, since not even a mordenkainen's disjunction spills over to the plane of shadow.&nbsp; If the character is removed from the plane of shadow, the constitution damage stops immediately.A very interesting spell, but as written it is hard to understand!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 1655195, member: 141"] Ferret, you are introducing a whole different status for the body, and a weird status for the murkily defined soul. "For all practical purposes it doesn't exist"- but apparently the character still retains the body, and the body can still disappear under the right circumstances. And the body is apparently still taking constitution damage, even though it doesn't exist. What if the hit points drop below zero? Does it start to die, this body that "for all practical purposes" doesn't exist? Nothing is more practical than damage, death and dying! Apparently the soul and body can be reunited. How? A [i]dispel magic[/i] and a successful save apparently makes the body reappear on the prime, but the soul is apparently still on the plane of shadow. Maybe the soul and body reunite when the spell ends? But you need a [i]limited wish[/i] to reunite the soul and body. So what does happen when the spell ends? A [i]mordenkainen's disjunction[/i] does "this" (fuse soul and body?) but "reunites and fuses the soul and body." Does the "but" mean that "this" is something other than reuniting and fusing the soul and body? How is reuniting different from fusing? Can you fuse body and soul without reuniting them? Can you reunite soul and body without fusing them? I really don't understand what is supposed to be happening here. What happens if the subject of the spell is an intelligent undead (which has a soul)? What happens if you have no body (because you are incorporeal)? Irritating typos/errors: "loose" instead of "lose," "substenance" instead of "substance," "they" with a singular antecedent, "effected" instead of "affected," "residue... which take" instead of "residue... which takes", unnecessary commas, some spell names italicized and others not... My suggestion is to make the character incorporeal and give him a dex and str of 0 for the spell duration. Shift him or her to the adjacent plane of shadow, with only a vague outline indicating the character's presence. Spells and attacks cannot affect the character unless they can also affect the plane of shadow. (Magic weapons, ghost touch weapons and force effects can't do this, iirc. If the character was on the ethereal plane, perhaps, or if incorporeal, perhaps, but neither is the case.) While on the ethereal plane the character suffers bad effects (con damage if you like, or hit point loss). To end the spell prematurely you must go to the plane of shadow and cast [i]dispel magic[/i] or the equivalent. Casting such spells on the prime has no effect, since not even a [i]mordenkainen's disjunction[/i] spills over to the plane of shadow. If the character is removed from the plane of shadow, the constitution damage stops immediately. A very interesting spell, but as written it is hard to understand! [/QUOTE]

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