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<blockquote data-quote="dvvega" data-source="post: 2965607" data-attributes="member: 524">As pointed out by previous posters, the 1/2 Orc Bbn 6/FB 4 is not a possible build without some houseruling or something. Ignoring that, its a CR 10 encounter.The party was what? 7 &amp; 8. Nothing in the original post stated that they had magic/spells/equipment beyond the norm for 7 &amp; 8. You said they seemed overpowered but then stated they had what was appropriate.Let us ignore the Beholder and Traps for now ... you set them up against an encounter +2/+3 levels higher than them. This immediately suggests a 30-50% loss rate of the party instead of the average 20% of resources.Now let us add in the Beholder (ignoring the traps). Normally a CR 13 encounter. You got rid of all eyestalks except telekinesis. So let us assume for argument's sake this drops the CR to 8. It still has telekinesis and anti-magic so I'm not going to drop it further than that.According to encounter calculations, a CR 10 + an CR 8 are the same as a CR 11 or CR 12.That's too powerful already and then you add in Traps. What CR were they etc?You asked if you were over the top ... the answer is a definate yes ... there is no balance to this encounter anywhere, even the berserker on his own was dangerous, but the final encounter was at least +4 CR more if the traps were CR 8.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dvvega, post: 2965607, member: 524"] As pointed out by previous posters, the 1/2 Orc Bbn 6/FB 4 is not a possible build without some houseruling or something. Ignoring that, its a CR 10 encounter. The party was what? 7 & 8. Nothing in the original post stated that they had magic/spells/equipment beyond the norm for 7 & 8. You said they seemed overpowered but then stated they had what was appropriate. Let us ignore the Beholder and Traps for now ... you set them up against an encounter +2/+3 levels higher than them. This immediately suggests a 30-50% loss rate of the party instead of the average 20% of resources. Now let us add in the Beholder (ignoring the traps). Normally a CR 13 encounter. You got rid of all eyestalks except telekinesis. So let us assume for argument's sake this drops the CR to 8. It still has telekinesis and anti-magic so I'm not going to drop it further than that. According to encounter calculations, a CR 10 + an CR 8 are the same as a CR 11 or CR 12. That's too powerful already and then you add in Traps. What CR were they etc? You asked if you were over the top ... the answer is a definate yes ... there is no balance to this encounter anywhere, even the berserker on his own was dangerous, but the final encounter was at least +4 CR more if the traps were CR 8. [/QUOTE]

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