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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Midknightsun" data-source="post: 3949630" data-attributes="member: 46459"><p>By that definition, what was the point of the Ranger in 3e, other than some tracking and low level spells (without the whole archery/twf thing)? And even fantasy bases itself on some sort of real world archetype at some point.  No idea comes out of a vacuum.  But I agree that fighters should be GOOD at all types of fighting.  I just don't think they need to be the BEST.  Otherwise, as a designer, why wouldn't i just make the ranger the result of certain talents and feats under fighter?  Fighter kills Ranger and takes his stuff?  I don't know.  I personally like the nitch abilities given to the classes, and depending how its pulled off, the ranger may be no less a fighter in the broad sense, than the fighter, just with a different enough focus to make it worth being a different class.</p></blockquote><p></p>