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<blockquote data-quote="Rogerd1" data-source="post: 9062064" data-attributes="member: 7030973"><p>Okay so calling Azathoth is a bit meaningless really, It is not a master of time, but outside of time.</p><p>But is It?</p><p></p><p>Depends on how you want to portray said entity in terms of mythos being run. for instance in Gumshoe Cthulhu stuff, one version of Azathoth sounds really similar to a Xeelee. So it could be an alien, or perhaps more.</p><p></p><p>Raiders of Ryleh, makes Outsiders as existing in alien, higher or being inbetween dimensions. Now in Midnight World (very WoD-esque), it states that Dread Ones come from other universes with different laws of physics.</p><p></p><p>While The Void / Chthonian Stars says "they are beings of such incredible power that they exist in more than the four dimensions we perceive, and they draw power from them."</p><p></p><p>I mean look at Sandy Peterson did in 5e, and other recent products when it comes to Great Old Ones or Outer gods, he gives a win condition as statting them up is a bit pointless. In many ways they are like the gods of Midgard, in that the stats would depend on which disguise / avatar, they are wearing at the time.</p><p></p><p>So, you in essence need to decide, what exactly are Great Old Ones, or Outer gods, from Lovecraft? And how do they interact with the usual gods of the setting? So this is also very cosmology dependent too.</p><p></p><p>For instance I really dislike Chaosium's way of turning some Earth deities into Great Old Ones. Personally, some deities, like Yig would be a better Great One or to use a DnD term - Animal Lord, which would make far more sense.</p><p></p><p>And would also allow a more Moorcock Order /Chaos ideas to be brought in too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rogerd1, post: 9062064, member: 7030973"] Okay so calling Azathoth is a bit meaningless really, It is not a master of time, but outside of time. But is It? Depends on how you want to portray said entity in terms of mythos being run. for instance in Gumshoe Cthulhu stuff, one version of Azathoth sounds really similar to a Xeelee. So it could be an alien, or perhaps more. Raiders of Ryleh, makes Outsiders as existing in alien, higher or being inbetween dimensions. Now in Midnight World (very WoD-esque), it states that Dread Ones come from other universes with different laws of physics. While The Void / Chthonian Stars says "they are beings of such incredible power that they exist in more than the four dimensions we perceive, and they draw power from them." I mean look at Sandy Peterson did in 5e, and other recent products when it comes to Great Old Ones or Outer gods, he gives a win condition as statting them up is a bit pointless. In many ways they are like the gods of Midgard, in that the stats would depend on which disguise / avatar, they are wearing at the time. So, you in essence need to decide, what exactly are Great Old Ones, or Outer gods, from Lovecraft? And how do they interact with the usual gods of the setting? So this is also very cosmology dependent too. For instance I really dislike Chaosium's way of turning some Earth deities into Great Old Ones. Personally, some deities, like Yig would be a better Great One or to use a DnD term - Animal Lord, which would make far more sense. And would also allow a more Moorcock Order /Chaos ideas to be brought in too. [/QUOTE]
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