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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tarchon" data-source="post: 913868" data-attributes="member: 5990">Re: Re: Re: Frustrated by Party CompositionJust FYI, the class is so named because it represents mythologized Chan Buddhist monks, not mythologized Templars.  You thought "ki" was Middle High German for "holy spirit" or something?Mechanically, I agree a paladin with a level of monk is not getting so much... or is he?  Sure, when he's out whomping dragons with his +38 Holy Avenger, the level of monk is pretty useless.  What the paladin can get from it though is covering a contingency.  We've all played the "tin can" right?  You waddle along the trail at 20; you live in mortal fear of rust monsters, bodies of water, and large magnets; you're continually trying to explain to the DM how it is you eat, sleep, and deflower grateful virgins while wearing your +17 gothic adamantine plate armor of invulnerability.  Fact is, sometimes you're caught with your steel pants down, and sometimes you need to get around without your 60 lbs of equipment.  Then your damage is 1d3 subdual (1d3 normal only with a -4 to hit), and you draw AoOs, plus you have the AC of a giant marshmallow.If however you took that level of monk, you're getting your usually respectable paladin's Wis bonus added to your AC, you fight as well as you do with a short sword, and you can even use Flurry of Blows or Stun if you need it.  The +2 to every save isn't so shabby either, and that always counts.  Sure, you're still not as good as you are normally, but a naked 9th level paladin/1st level monk way outclasses a naked 10th level paladin any day.</blockquote>

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