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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1459676" data-attributes="member: 11987">I like wise can find no rule that states that one must use one's hand to make an attack with a weapon that is not in or on one's hand. I do not believe that armor spikes are present on or in ones hands. I believe them to be present on the characters armor which IMO does not inculde gauntlets since gauntlets may be enchanted and are weapons in their own right. And since the armor spikes one attacks with can not be on the character's forearms or in the character's hands I find it very odd to assume that it still requires the use of a hand to make the attack and thus assume that it does not require that use of an hand to make the attack. In any case I can't see how attacking with armor spikes could be considered to be using your shield as a weapon which is the only reason listed for losing one shield bonus to AC when using a light or heavy shield. Are you suggesting that you can not make off-hand attacks with armor spikes while using a light or heavy shield and making primary attacks with another weapon since one can not use the hand bearing the shield to attack with weapons other than the shield?Unless a specific weapon or ability states that it may be used as an or in place of off-hand attacks, in which case one may use it for such even if it does not require the use of one's hand as would be normal for a weapon.I do not believe there is a logical reason why you could lose you shield bonus and attack with armor spikes.</blockquote>

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