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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 857071" data-attributes="member: 1656">The thrown dagger is not "under the best of circumstances", either.  Even if he had the Two Weapon Fighting feat - which he doesn't - it wouldn't reduce the penalty on his thrown dagger.Okay.Your BAB is +1, your Dex and Str bonuses are both +2.  So your attack bonus is +3 for both melee and ranged.However, you're using two weapons, with no feats.  That's a -6 penalty with your primary hand, and a -10 penalty with your off hand.Your off hand weapon is light, so those penalties are reduced by 2.  But you're using Rapid Shot, so there's another -2 on every attack.Your primary melee attack, therefore, totals up to -3.  Your off hand melee attack totals -7.  Your ranged attack is either -3 or -7, depending on which hand you throw with.On the other hand, if you were a human Ranger with Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot, plus the Ranger Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting virtual feats, and the same Str and Dex scores, you would be at :-1 primary melee.-1 off-hand melee.-3 thrown dagger (either hand).TWF and Ambi make a big difference.-Hyp.</blockquote>