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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1157967" data-attributes="member: 3146">When you say that you are going to ignore the &quot;you can attempt one of these actions in place of each of your attacks&quot; line you basically say that you're going to ignore the rules for grappling. While technically, that line would appear to allow iterative spellcasting (which I agree is a horrible idea), it's quite clear that the rule does limit everyone--creatures with natural attacks, PCs, and creatures without natural attacks--to one attack per iterative attack allowed by BAB. The creature may attack an opponent in the grapple &quot;with an unarmed strike, natural weapon, or light weapon.&quot; The prohibition on attacking with two weapons (156 right column, 1st paragraph, last line), could quite reasonably be extended to prohibiting the use of natural attack routines as well.Even if you manage to ignore the first line restricting you to one action per incremental BAB attack and don't extend the prohibition on attacking with two weapons to natural attack routines, however, it is still unclear how on earth you could reach the conclusion that a grappling creature gets his natural attack routine in addition to his iterative grapple checks. There's nothing that even suggests such a thing--and it's easily as bad an idea to let a fifteenth level druid in dire bear form suddenly get 6 attacks/round (Claw/claw/bite + iterative attacks from +12 to +2) instead of 3 attacks per round simply because he succeeded at an improved grab grapple check. Not that it's any better for a normal dire-bear to be able to do such a thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1157967, member: 3146"] When you say that you are going to ignore the "you can attempt one of these actions in place of each of your attacks" line you basically say that you're going to ignore the rules for grappling. While technically, that line would appear to allow iterative spellcasting (which I agree is a horrible idea), it's quite clear that the rule does limit everyone--creatures with natural attacks, PCs, and creatures without natural attacks--to one attack per iterative attack allowed by BAB. The creature may attack an opponent in the grapple "with an unarmed strike, natural weapon, or light weapon." The prohibition on attacking with two weapons (156 right column, 1st paragraph, last line), could quite reasonably be extended to prohibiting the use of natural attack routines as well. Even if you manage to ignore the first line restricting you to one action per incremental BAB attack and don't extend the prohibition on attacking with two weapons to natural attack routines, however, it is still unclear how on earth you could reach the conclusion that a grappling creature gets his natural attack routine in addition to his iterative grapple checks. There's nothing that even suggests such a thing--and it's easily as bad an idea to let a fifteenth level druid in dire bear form suddenly get 6 attacks/round (Claw/claw/bite + iterative attacks from +12 to +2) instead of 3 attacks per round simply because he succeeded at an improved grab grapple check. Not that it's any better for a normal dire-bear to be able to do such a thing. [/QUOTE]

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