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<blockquote data-quote="Olorin" data-source="post: 1161229" data-attributes="member: 940">I posted a similar thread to this earlier and ended up emailing the Sage to see what he would say... here is his reply (I used a Dire Bear in my example, but the idea is the same):3.5 doesn't make the issue terribly clear. I suggest you simply allw the bear one grabble check fo each natural weapon, with the bear dealing natural weapon damage for each success.Misspellings aside, I agree with this... the way I will run it is the bear attacks with his claws, if one of them succeeds in grabbing the target then he gets grapple checks for each remaining natural weapon at -4. This is if he chooses to fully grapple the target, otherwise he gets the -20 to subsequent grapple checks with the claw that is holding the target, and normal attacks with the rest of his natural weapons to other targets.I realize this breaks the normal grappling rules, but creature's natural weapons are an exception to the normal BAB/number of attacks system anyway, and it feels right to me. A Bear (or Gray Render or whatever), should be able to maul away at something it has grabbed, with the penalty due to attacking something held without the normal leverage and freedom of movement it normally has.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Olorin, post: 1161229, member: 940"] I posted a similar thread to this earlier and ended up emailing the Sage to see what he would say... here is his reply (I used a Dire Bear in my example, but the idea is the same): [I]3.5 doesn't make the issue terribly clear. I suggest you simply allw the bear one grabble check fo each natural weapon, with the bear dealing natural weapon damage for each success.[/I] Misspellings aside, I agree with this... the way I will run it is the bear attacks with his claws, if one of them succeeds in grabbing the target then he gets grapple checks for each remaining natural weapon at -4. This is if he chooses to fully grapple the target, otherwise he gets the -20 to subsequent grapple checks with the claw that is holding the target, and normal attacks with the rest of his natural weapons to other targets. I realize this breaks the normal grappling rules, but creature's natural weapons are an exception to the normal BAB/number of attacks system anyway, and it feels right to me. A Bear (or Gray Render or whatever), should be able to maul away at something it has grabbed, with the penalty due to attacking something held without the normal leverage and freedom of movement it normally has. [/QUOTE]

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