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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1161329" data-attributes="member: 284">No, I didn't leave that out. Go back and read my post again, it's in there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;Yup, that's what it means. &nbsp;&nbsp;Nope, not the way it works. &nbsp;If you have Improved Grab, you can make iterative Grapple checks as determined by your BAB, and each successful grapple check will do the full damage listed for the attack that established the grapple, without any -4 penalty. (If you have Constrict as well as Improved Grab, you do natural weapon damage plus Constrict damage. Kind of like a PC using Armor Spikes in a grapple.)&nbsp;If you want to attack with your other natural weapons, you need to make a -20 on your grapple checks, and give up the attacks with the natural weapon used to grab them. Then you can use your other natural weapons to make attacks as normal, without any penalty. You also do not lose your Dex bonus to AC against other opponents. &nbsp;If you do not have Improved Grab, and you want to use your Natural Weapon damage instead of just unarmed damage for a creature your size, you would need to use the &quot;Attack Opponent&quot; option and take the -4 on your attack rolls, and limited to iterative attacks instead of your full natural weapon attack sequence. Basically, creatures without Improved Grab aren't really built to grapple very well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 1161329, member: 284"] No, I didn't leave that out. Go back and read my post again, it's in there. ;) [b][/b]Yup, that's what it means. [b] [/b] Nope, not the way it works. If you have Improved Grab, you can make iterative Grapple checks as determined by your BAB, and each successful grapple check will do the full damage listed for the attack that established the grapple, without any -4 penalty. (If you have Constrict as well as Improved Grab, you do natural weapon damage plus Constrict damage. Kind of like a PC using Armor Spikes in a grapple.) If you want to attack with your other natural weapons, you need to make a -20 on your grapple checks, and give up the attacks with the natural weapon used to grab them. Then you can use your other natural weapons to make attacks as normal, without any penalty. You also do not lose your Dex bonus to AC against other opponents. If you do not have Improved Grab, and you want to use your Natural Weapon damage instead of just unarmed damage for a creature your size, you would need to use the "Attack Opponent" option and take the -4 on your attack rolls, and limited to iterative attacks instead of your full natural weapon attack sequence. Basically, creatures without Improved Grab aren't really built to grapple very well. [/QUOTE]

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