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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1163247" data-attributes="member: 3146">Well you can clearly grapple more than one person at the same time. That's what the entering a grapple rules are for.And you can clearly attack one person and use improved grab on them while you're taking -20 to hold another person under your paw. Taking the -20 doesn't invalidate the improved grab on the second paw. Once that has happened (and, admittedly, it's not likely to with a brown bear against two fourth level rogues--a dire bear quite possibly--but probably not a brown bear succeeding four times&nbsp; (once to start a grapple with each rogue via improved grab and then again when the rogues attempt to escape on their turn) in a row on a -4 to +5 opposed roll is a bit of a stretch; it's more likely to succeed against halfling rogues). I think once you've initiated the improved grab grapple with both characters, however, you'd count as grappling them both and if you stopped taking the -20, they'd both still have to succeed at the opposed grapple check to escape the grapple.So, as I see it, in order to initate grapples with two foes at the same time, you need: A. at least two attacks. B. To take the -20 to your grapple check so that you still threaten the second guy after grappling the first. C. Either improved grab on the second or to use it to start an ordinary grapple (although this would be rather odd since, after starting the first grapple, you're in the same square as the first guy you grappled and when you initiate the second, you would move into the second guy's square--with improved grab that's not a problem though since you pull both grappled characters into your square).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1163247, member: 3146"] Well you can clearly grapple more than one person at the same time. That's what the entering a grapple rules are for. And you can clearly attack one person and use improved grab on them while you're taking -20 to hold another person under your paw. Taking the -20 doesn't invalidate the improved grab on the second paw. Once that has happened (and, admittedly, it's not likely to with a brown bear against two fourth level rogues--a dire bear quite possibly--but probably not a brown bear succeeding four times (once to start a grapple with each rogue via improved grab and then again when the rogues attempt to escape on their turn) in a row on a -4 to +5 opposed roll is a bit of a stretch; it's more likely to succeed against halfling rogues). I think once you've initiated the improved grab grapple with both characters, however, you'd count as grappling them both and if you stopped taking the -20, they'd both still have to succeed at the opposed grapple check to escape the grapple. So, as I see it, in order to initate grapples with two foes at the same time, you need: A. at least two attacks. B. To take the -20 to your grapple check so that you still threaten the second guy after grappling the first. C. Either improved grab on the second or to use it to start an ordinary grapple (although this would be rather odd since, after starting the first grapple, you're in the same square as the first guy you grappled and when you initiate the second, you would move into the second guy's square--with improved grab that's not a problem though since you pull both grappled characters into your square). [/QUOTE]

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