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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 761366" data-attributes="member: 4937">Well, I concur that Alex is pulling the -4 penalty to hit right out of the air.  I said it was reasonable, but it is a judgement call.However, I totally think it is silly to say that if you make an AoO that you lose the +4 bonus to AC.  That is completely pulled out of the air as well.   AoO are not technically actions.  They are not standard actions, partial actions, or even free actions.   It would be more sensible to rule that you couldn't take a free action (like talking) while fighting defensively than it would be to say you couldn't make an AoO.   Fighting defensively is simply another standard action, only you can apparantly only take a move action with it not a MEA.  It does not prevent AoO.</blockquote>