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Message: <blockquote data-quote="see" data-source="post: 8131528" data-attributes="member: 10531">While thieves' tools are tools, they aren't artisan's tools (see PHB p.154), so you can't pick up thieves' tools with Artificer Initiate.No, actually, it isn't, not strictly. If you're a prepared spellcaster, you can't use the Magic Initiate 1st level spell with your class's spell slots unless you picked your own class (usually). On the other hand, Artificer Initiate explicitly allows you to also cast with any spell slots you have.Accordingly, a 1st-level out-of-class spell picked up with Magic Initiate is simply a once-a-day 1st level spell. A 1st-level out-of-class spell picked up with Artificer Initiate is effectively an addition to your class spell list. The "obvious" example here is a wizard picking up cure wounds; with Magic Initiate and picking it from the bard, cleric, or druid list she can cast it once/day as a 1st level spell. With Artificer Initiate she can also cast it with any of her wizard spell slots of any level.</blockquote>