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<blockquote data-quote="Dichotomy" data-source="post: 3234614" data-attributes="member: 12941">I was thinking this over some more, and I think perhaps the easiest solution to adjust a swarm's AC to treat it as a large creature rather than a diminutive one (have a -1 size mod to AC rather than a +4).&nbsp; I think this makes intuitive sense, since you aren't trying to hit a diminutive creature.&nbsp; It also, to me, makes more sense for balance purposes.For example, take a look at spider swarm:&nbsp; 9 hit points; 20 move (but its ACTUALLY 40 move, since it doesn't take an action to attack; it just moves over you and auto damages); it does 1d6 damage, WITHOUT and attack roll, to EVERYONE it covers; it can only be hurt by weapons that people usually aren't wielding.&nbsp; Add on to that an AC and touch AC of 17, and you realize why people die, because even the members of the party that are GOOD at hitting stuff will miss more than half the time.&nbsp; CR 1 my ass.Now, change that AC to 12, and it seems more balanced, at least to me.&nbsp; Do you guys think that is probably right, or does that make it too easy?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dichotomy, post: 3234614, member: 12941"] I was thinking this over some more, and I think perhaps the easiest solution to adjust a swarm's AC to treat it as a large creature rather than a diminutive one (have a -1 size mod to AC rather than a +4). I think this makes intuitive sense, since you aren't trying to hit a diminutive creature. It also, to me, makes more sense for balance purposes. For example, take a look at spider swarm: 9 hit points; 20 move (but its ACTUALLY 40 move, since it doesn't take an action to attack; it just moves over you and auto damages); it does 1d6 damage, WITHOUT and attack roll, to EVERYONE it covers; it can only be hurt by weapons that people usually aren't wielding. Add on to that an AC and touch AC of 17, and you realize why people die, because even the members of the party that are GOOD at hitting stuff will miss more than half the time. CR 1 my ass. Now, change that AC to 12, and it seems more balanced, at least to me. Do you guys think that is probably right, or does that make it too easy? [/QUOTE]

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