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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8212213" data-attributes="member: 20564">I don't agree with your findings.First, if you're not pumping STR or DEX, you're not coming on-line for melee until you get Artificer 3.&nbsp; But you're not getting Extra attack until Bladesinger 6.&nbsp; So this combo really doesn't even start until 9th level when most campaigns are well into their final Act.Second, it's three levels behind on spells known and a level behind on spell slots.Third, this would have a lower AC and not better Concentration that a straight Bladesinger by a good chunk.&nbsp; By 9th level if you don't have magic armor, you have the slots for mage armor.&nbsp; AC of 13 (mage armor) + DEX + INT (bladesong) will be greater than 16 (halfplate+1) + 2 (max dex).&nbsp; Concentration we're looking at the Artificer having +PROF, which starts lagging behind and not until 13th or 17th exceed the Bladesinging +INT to Concentration.Fourth, with the lower AC the Artificer is more likely to need Blur than the Bladesinger.&nbsp; (Though really, I ran a pre-Tasha's Bladesinger 1-13 through Avernus, and never bothered to even learn Blur - my AC plus Shield when needed was enough to keep me virtually untouched going through every encounter in that book.&nbsp; So likely neither needs it.)Now, the Artificer does do more damage once their melee combo comes on at 9th, but before that the bladesinger has been melee capable a level earlier and have Extra Attack w/ Cantrip 3 levels earlier.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8212213, member: 20564"] I don't agree with your findings. First, if you're not pumping STR or DEX, you're not coming on-line for melee until you get Artificer 3. But you're not getting Extra attack until Bladesinger 6. So this combo really doesn't even start until 9th level when most campaigns are well into their final Act. Second, it's three levels behind on spells known and a level behind on spell slots. Third, this would have a lower AC and not better Concentration that a straight Bladesinger by a good chunk. By 9th level if you don't have magic armor, you have the slots for mage armor. AC of 13 (mage armor) + DEX + INT (bladesong) will be greater than 16 (halfplate+1) + 2 (max dex). Concentration we're looking at the Artificer having +PROF, which starts lagging behind and not until 13th or 17th exceed the Bladesinging +INT to Concentration. Fourth, with the lower AC the Artificer is more likely to need Blur than the Bladesinger. (Though really, I ran a pre-Tasha's Bladesinger 1-13 through Avernus, and never bothered to even learn Blur - my AC plus Shield when needed was enough to keep me virtually untouched going through every encounter in that book. So likely neither needs it.) Now, the Artificer does do more damage once their melee combo comes on at 9th, but before that the bladesinger has been melee capable a level earlier and have Extra Attack w/ Cantrip 3 levels earlier. [/QUOTE]

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