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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8226959" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Sure, but the build is also a lot more scattered. Rogue 11 + Bard 3 is a bit of a harder sell than Rogue 1 + Bard 10. It does get you pretty far along the &quot;most expertise possible&quot; line, but you give up a lot to get there. My posted build, as noted, makes pretty minimal sacrifices to get everything mentioned except Reliable Talent. It also doesn't LOOK like a franken-build, just quick dips.That's why I see it as &quot;overpowered&quot; in a narrow sense. It achieves very nearly full mastery of one area of the game (skill and ability rolls) while sacrificing...almost nothing to get it. You want decent Dex even in medium armor, so 13+ is no problem. Wis 13+ isn't a big ask either, and obviously you're pumping Cha if you're a bard.Plus, as noted, this idea actually HAS a story and a character, it's not just &quot;throw random stuff in and see what sticks.&quot; (In the original version of this build, Warlock was explicitly NOT okay to pick up for story reasons, but for the right characters it can work out, you just lose out on 9th level spells.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8226959, member: 6790260"] Sure, but the build is also a lot more scattered. Rogue 11 + Bard 3 is a bit of a harder sell than Rogue 1 + Bard 10. It does get you pretty far along the "most expertise possible" line, but you give up a lot to get there. My posted build, as noted, makes pretty minimal sacrifices to get everything mentioned except Reliable Talent. It also doesn't LOOK like a franken-build, just quick dips. That's why I see it as "overpowered" in a narrow sense. It achieves very nearly full mastery of one area of the game (skill and ability rolls) while sacrificing...almost nothing to get it. You want decent Dex even in medium armor, so 13+ is no problem. Wis 13+ isn't a big ask either, and obviously you're pumping Cha if you're a bard. Plus, as noted, this idea actually HAS a story and a character, it's not just "throw random stuff in and see what sticks." (In the original version of this build, Warlock was explicitly NOT okay to pick up for story reasons, but for the right characters it can work out, you just lose out on 9th level spells.) [/QUOTE]

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