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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 907883" data-attributes="member: 6239">A stretch, but yes.&nbsp; They will only get a save if they go into the darkness.&nbsp; The same holds true for an illusion of a wall.&nbsp; They only save if they try to touch it.It could be mental contact.&nbsp; A creature able to touch others minds.&nbsp; Normally (99% of the time) it does mean physical contact or careful study.Technically, 5 spells.&nbsp; Silent image mentions creating a illusion &quot;of an object, creature, or force&quot;.&nbsp; This is contrary to accept use though, and some other spell descriptions.&nbsp; One of the image spells mentions orcs playing cards and then getting into a fist fight.&nbsp; That would be multiple orcs.&nbsp; Rule of thumb: if it fits in the area of the spell, it is generally ok.Yes, if he fails, he may be convinced he is grappling and act accordingly.&nbsp; If the character is faced with &quot;incontrovertible proof&quot; of an illusion needs no save, but that would be like falling through an illusionary floor.Yes, you can make illusions of acid or fire.&nbsp; The lack of heat from a Silent Image fire would probably give a circumstance bonus on the save.&nbsp; However, figments (all image spells) can not cause real effects, so they can not directly cause subdual.No.&nbsp; This falls under &quot;incontrovertible proof&quot; when you see the pit but do not fall.Illusions are tricky, but can be a lot of fun.&nbsp; Less monotonous than those repeated attack spells.&nbsp; Take a look at PH page 58 for more information.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 907883, member: 6239"] A stretch, but yes. They will only get a save if they go into the darkness. The same holds true for an illusion of a wall. They only save if they try to touch it. It could be mental contact. A creature able to touch others minds. Normally (99% of the time) it does mean physical contact or careful study. Technically, 5 spells. Silent image mentions creating a illusion "of an object, creature, or force". This is contrary to accept use though, and some other spell descriptions. One of the image spells mentions orcs playing cards and then getting into a fist fight. That would be multiple orcs. Rule of thumb: if it fits in the area of the spell, it is generally ok. Yes, if he fails, he may be convinced he is grappling and act accordingly. If the character is faced with "incontrovertible proof" of an illusion needs no save, but that would be like falling through an illusionary floor. Yes, you can make illusions of acid or fire. The lack of heat from a Silent Image fire would probably give a circumstance bonus on the save. However, figments (all image spells) can not cause real effects, so they can not directly cause subdual. No. This falls under "incontrovertible proof" when you see the pit but do not fall. Illusions are tricky, but can be a lot of fun. Less monotonous than those repeated attack spells. Take a look at PH page 58 for more information. [/QUOTE]

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