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<blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 7068913" data-attributes="member: 6857451"><p>What? If it only said "creature", you could resurrect a living being. How that would work i have no idea. It would create MORE problems, not less - but it would be clear.</p><p>The fact that the creature is dead is what causes me to have issues to understand if said target should be considered broadly as a object or as a "creature" as many many many other spells do. There are also other types of implications on such a ruling: If a dead creature is still in fact a creature, i can true polymorph it (assuming it has not 0 hp, like if death has come due to old age) following rules related to creatures and not objects. Or target it with spells that only affect creatures and not objects. There are lots of things that can go wrong and that i've not even started considering. That's why, for me, the "dead creature" is not " a creature", no matter how strange it seems.</p><p></p><p>Again, is half a creature a creature? If a creature was killed by an axe bisecting it, would you allow Resurrection on one of the halves? Would it still be a creature?</p><p>Personally, i prefer to avoid the problem and have that "dead creature" be " a corpse", object. No need to think about anything else. But this makes it impossible via RAW of Glyph of Warding to use Resurrection in it. It targets an object, not a creature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And i agree. "You", however, is still the caster, at least for me. Glyph delays the spell, frees up concentration, extends the "range" in a sense. But it does not changes the source of a spell. Should someone with some sort of ability check "Whos was the Fireball that killed this dude" on a Glyph Triggered Fireball, it would still know the name of the Caster.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The spell is cast as part of casting the Glyph. Materials are spent when a spell is cast. So materials are spent as part of casting Glyph of Warding.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? Resurrection does not require that. It requires you to touch the creature only after the spell "has completed" It would be as requiring the target of a Sacred Flame all along.</p><p>I can cast Resurrection with no corpse at all. It would be mighty stupid, but a corpse is not a "requirement" so to say.</p><p></p><p>If the Glyph is targeting a dead creature and that is a creature, it does not matter when i have the corpse. I can put the trigger "when a corpse touches the Glyph" or something more restrictive like "when a corpse of a creature that is has been dead for no more than 99 years and died for any cause but old age" and it would be a fine trigger, indipendant of me having any corpse at all. Heck, even a "if my dead corpse ever touches this Glyph" would be a valid trigger!</p><p></p><p>The Glyph specifically states that if the spell targets a creature, then the target of the spell becomes the creature triggering the Glyph. In this case the body itself is still considered a creature, so it is a valid target AND the target of the spell in the Glyph. It would end up receiving the effects of Resurrection.</p><p></p><p>But this all hinges on "is a dead creature a creature?". Raw, at least.</p><p></p><p>But then again, it enters an area that's spellcasting timings... really really DM dependant, so...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh absolutely. A DM has all the cards to make anything possible. My whole problem in fact is resolved on a simple DM decision (dead creature=object). But that is the part where i'm unsure that it's actually RAW, but i believe it actually being so - if anything else, for simplicity's sake.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThePolarBear, post: 7068913, member: 6857451"] What? If it only said "creature", you could resurrect a living being. How that would work i have no idea. It would create MORE problems, not less - but it would be clear. The fact that the creature is dead is what causes me to have issues to understand if said target should be considered broadly as a object or as a "creature" as many many many other spells do. There are also other types of implications on such a ruling: If a dead creature is still in fact a creature, i can true polymorph it (assuming it has not 0 hp, like if death has come due to old age) following rules related to creatures and not objects. Or target it with spells that only affect creatures and not objects. There are lots of things that can go wrong and that i've not even started considering. That's why, for me, the "dead creature" is not " a creature", no matter how strange it seems. Again, is half a creature a creature? If a creature was killed by an axe bisecting it, would you allow Resurrection on one of the halves? Would it still be a creature? Personally, i prefer to avoid the problem and have that "dead creature" be " a corpse", object. No need to think about anything else. But this makes it impossible via RAW of Glyph of Warding to use Resurrection in it. It targets an object, not a creature. And i agree. "You", however, is still the caster, at least for me. Glyph delays the spell, frees up concentration, extends the "range" in a sense. But it does not changes the source of a spell. Should someone with some sort of ability check "Whos was the Fireball that killed this dude" on a Glyph Triggered Fireball, it would still know the name of the Caster. The spell is cast as part of casting the Glyph. Materials are spent when a spell is cast. So materials are spent as part of casting Glyph of Warding. Why? Resurrection does not require that. It requires you to touch the creature only after the spell "has completed" It would be as requiring the target of a Sacred Flame all along. I can cast Resurrection with no corpse at all. It would be mighty stupid, but a corpse is not a "requirement" so to say. If the Glyph is targeting a dead creature and that is a creature, it does not matter when i have the corpse. I can put the trigger "when a corpse touches the Glyph" or something more restrictive like "when a corpse of a creature that is has been dead for no more than 99 years and died for any cause but old age" and it would be a fine trigger, indipendant of me having any corpse at all. Heck, even a "if my dead corpse ever touches this Glyph" would be a valid trigger! The Glyph specifically states that if the spell targets a creature, then the target of the spell becomes the creature triggering the Glyph. In this case the body itself is still considered a creature, so it is a valid target AND the target of the spell in the Glyph. It would end up receiving the effects of Resurrection. But this all hinges on "is a dead creature a creature?". Raw, at least. But then again, it enters an area that's spellcasting timings... really really DM dependant, so... Oh absolutely. A DM has all the cards to make anything possible. My whole problem in fact is resolved on a simple DM decision (dead creature=object). But that is the part where i'm unsure that it's actually RAW, but i believe it actually being so - if anything else, for simplicity's sake. [/QUOTE]
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