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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6689330" data-attributes="member: 177">&quot;Have the same genetic makeup,&quot; and, &quot;are in the same body&quot; are actually not equivalent.&nbsp; There is a matter of development, which has significant permanent impact on the body.Imagine your clone - you've taken the host's genetic material, and force the growth of an adult-sized body in one year.&nbsp; It floats around in a tank for the year during the growth process.&nbsp; What's its muscle tone and bone density going to be like?&nbsp; Both are extremely dependent on physical use - if you don't use muscles, they atrophy.&nbsp; If you don't put weight on bones, they lose calcium, and become brittle.&nbsp; Meanwhile, the original host has been lifting weights and running 5k races every few weeks.&nbsp; You haul out your clone, and stand it next to the host.. and it will have a problem standing, as it doesn't have muscle tone.&nbsp; It will be a thin, weak, pallid thing next to the host.&nbsp; And all the attendant chemical changes that come with a healthy body and high metabolism?&nbsp; Your host has them, your clone doesn't.Now, you can stipulate, &quot;in the cloning process, we cover all that&quot;.&nbsp; But, you can't cover *everything* that happened in your hosts, say, 30+ year of life.&nbsp; All the exposure to chemicals in the environment, the differences between the host and the clone's diets - we can expect it to add up.As for telling the difference between the original and the clone - how many of us have *no* childhood or other injuries that have somehow marked their body in a unique way?&nbsp; Ever broken a bone?&nbsp; Had a dental filling?&nbsp; Got cut so you have a scar anywhere on your body?&nbsp; Gotten a tattoo?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6689330, member: 177"] "Have the same genetic makeup," and, "are in the same body" are actually not equivalent. There is a matter of development, which has significant permanent impact on the body. Imagine your clone - you've taken the host's genetic material, and force the growth of an adult-sized body in one year. It floats around in a tank for the year during the growth process. What's its muscle tone and bone density going to be like? Both are extremely dependent on physical use - if you don't use muscles, they atrophy. If you don't put weight on bones, they lose calcium, and become brittle. Meanwhile, the original host has been lifting weights and running 5k races every few weeks. You haul out your clone, and stand it next to the host.. and it will have a problem standing, as it doesn't have muscle tone. It will be a thin, weak, pallid thing next to the host. And all the attendant chemical changes that come with a healthy body and high metabolism? Your host has them, your clone doesn't. Now, you can stipulate, "in the cloning process, we cover all that". But, you can't cover *everything* that happened in your hosts, say, 30+ year of life. All the exposure to chemicals in the environment, the differences between the host and the clone's diets - we can expect it to add up. As for telling the difference between the original and the clone - how many of us have *no* childhood or other injuries that have somehow marked their body in a unique way? Ever broken a bone? Had a dental filling? Got cut so you have a scar anywhere on your body? Gotten a tattoo? [/QUOTE]

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