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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5298294" data-attributes="member: 65152"><p>You sir are asking for the impossible. We will always have "the sky is falling" crowd of people.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Having played WoW for 4 years I can say that the debate occurs, but it somehow always occurs in terms of balance....such and such really needed the nerf bat....or that ability was useless so I'm glad they beefed it up. </p><p></p><p>I think the way WoW really got around the issue is they had "named" expansions which is where the big changes were always introduced.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vanilla WoW - the original game with level 60 cap</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Burning Crusade - level 70 cap and complete class talent tree redesign</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WotLK (Wrath) - level 80 cap and complete class talent tree redesign</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cataclysm - level 85 cap and complete class talent tree redesign - and major systems overhaul.</li> </ul><p>For Blizzard you can't change the level cap without basic game redesign so that analogy isn't valid for 4e because we're not changing the level 30 cap.</p><p>Blizzard never introduced new classes as a patch, they were always part of one of the expansions - even if it was just adding new race/class combos - like when Horde finally got "Blood Elves" that could be Paladins and Alliance got Shaman.</p><p>Now within each "version" of the game they did anywhere from monthly to quarterly class tweaking which would be akin to 4e's errata.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They removed "Tier" restrictions. A good move IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Amen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 5298294, member: 65152"] You sir are asking for the impossible. We will always have "the sky is falling" crowd of people. Having played WoW for 4 years I can say that the debate occurs, but it somehow always occurs in terms of balance....such and such really needed the nerf bat....or that ability was useless so I'm glad they beefed it up. I think the way WoW really got around the issue is they had "named" expansions which is where the big changes were always introduced. [list] [*]Vanilla WoW - the original game with level 60 cap [*]Burning Crusade - level 70 cap and complete class talent tree redesign [*]WotLK (Wrath) - level 80 cap and complete class talent tree redesign [*]Cataclysm - level 85 cap and complete class talent tree redesign - and major systems overhaul. [/list] For Blizzard you can't change the level cap without basic game redesign so that analogy isn't valid for 4e because we're not changing the level 30 cap. Blizzard never introduced new classes as a patch, they were always part of one of the expansions - even if it was just adding new race/class combos - like when Horde finally got "Blood Elves" that could be Paladins and Alliance got Shaman. Now within each "version" of the game they did anywhere from monthly to quarterly class tweaking which would be akin to 4e's errata. They removed "Tier" restrictions. A good move IMO. Amen. [/QUOTE]
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