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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blustar" data-source="post: 3015828" data-attributes="member: 34486">These threads are always a pissing contest on whose game is better or best, then degenerates into which "gamer" is more creative and smarter, then just outright hostility. I play both OAD&D and 3.5 and I scoff at the idea that you are supposd to play 3.5 balanced? WTF are you grogs smoking? We've been TPK'ed just as many times in 3.5 as 1ed, maybe even more. We do just as many crazy things to confuse our adversaries; throw sand, drop food, coins, ambush, traps, etc..All easily handled by 3.5. (DC + an intelligence check or wisdom or whatever your crazy ass can come up with) Is this in the DMG3.5 , of course not, you have to make it up yourself just like 1ed. ( like ti says inthe 3.5 DMG too)Please enough of the condescending attitude, it's really childish. I've played 3.5 with 50 year olds who only played OD&D/AD&D and skipped 2ed all together and we play together without a problem. In fact they prefer the new edition. You can still make many ad hoc decisions in 3.5 unless your a damn rules lawyer which in that case you would've been one of those same whinners back in the early 80's. I don't understand why a "Grog" wants to put his fingers in his ears and go "nananananan" when he realizes that balance in 3.5 is the same as having  dungeon levels in the 1ed DMG. It's meant as a way to gauge encounters on combat ability alone. A barometer. So, if you have a group of kobolds who have hard cover and burning oil and whatever, you know its going to be a big fight and probably deaths for the PC's. (unless they play smart) You can use the same tactics, you just resolve them differently. (you can even resolve them teh same way if you wanted)It all boils down to people hate to change. IT's a fact. They don't want to learn a new system. All these people complaining about the "complexity" of 3.5 grew up playing ASL and AH wargames!(like I did) So they find all the holes and bitch and moan about it's not like it used to be. Instead of sharing ideas and trying to encourage a stronger gaming community it's all about #1 for the Grogs. We do it my way or it sucks. I also try to remain civil but nothings chaps my ass more than some grog who thinks they play "better" than me or anyone else. Give it a rest man. For the record, I will say that I love playing OAD&D and it's brethren and I actively play in 2 "old school" campaigns. Where I play I'm considered the grog! (becasue of my wargaming experience) We play becasue it's fun to use different rules not because it's better. We use the same skill, the same tactics, the same everything. Who the hell knew?Blue</blockquote>

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