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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 3726691" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>I see what you're saying; distinction noted.</p><p></p><p>That said, you-as-player can make all the choices you want and the end result still comes down to luck anyway: I-as-DM randomly determine the Beholder's death ray is targeting you (instead of one of the other 4 characters it could target), then you randomly blow your save. As I'm probably a more chaotic personality than some in here, I just let the good/bad luck start a bit earlier. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>And that said, bad luck can be overcome. An example: I play in a 3e game where we randomly roll base stats, hit points, and spell points (used instead of slots). My #1 character there is a Wizard(Illusionist; banned Evokation) whose stats, when rolled up, barely cleared the 3e DMG standard for "playable"; never mind I don't tend to go for the "optimal build" at the best of times, she's grand proof of that! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> 11 levels later she's got average hit points, *awful* spell points....and is the senior surviving character in the game! And that's not because I play her cautiously - she's Wisdom 7, as chaotic as they come, and played to suit.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>In various games, I've also seen characters with nigh-ridiculous stats not survive their first combat.</p><p></p><p>Lanefan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 3726691, member: 29398"] I see what you're saying; distinction noted. That said, you-as-player can make all the choices you want and the end result still comes down to luck anyway: I-as-DM randomly determine the Beholder's death ray is targeting you (instead of one of the other 4 characters it could target), then you randomly blow your save. As I'm probably a more chaotic personality than some in here, I just let the good/bad luck start a bit earlier. :) And that said, bad luck can be overcome. An example: I play in a 3e game where we randomly roll base stats, hit points, and spell points (used instead of slots). My #1 character there is a Wizard(Illusionist; banned Evokation) whose stats, when rolled up, barely cleared the 3e DMG standard for "playable"; never mind I don't tend to go for the "optimal build" at the best of times, she's grand proof of that! :) 11 levels later she's got average hit points, *awful* spell points....and is the senior surviving character in the game! And that's not because I play her cautiously - she's Wisdom 7, as chaotic as they come, and played to suit.... ;) In various games, I've also seen characters with nigh-ridiculous stats not survive their first combat. Lanefan [/QUOTE]
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