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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 3727089" data-attributes="member: 14451">Yes, but other than fixed hit points after a certain level, Gary designed the game to not be fair.  Fighters where the only one to gain a bonus from a STR over 18 and a CON over 16.  Only Clerics got bonus spells.  There were a lot more save or die effects than there are now and you only got a bonus to a score from a 15 or higher score.3rd edition really strived for balance by making bonuses start at scores as low as 12, there are less death effects, everyone gains bonus spells (who can cast spells) and everyone gains bonuses (not just fighters) from high STR & CON scores.  The difference between editions has differences.  Why do some people feel that you need max hit points per level?  Doesn't anyone value individuality or do we need to make robot characters.  If you are a cleric, you will have these scores, this gear and this many hit points?  That really doesn't scream balance to me.  It is at its primal basis a min/max method.  If you know everything you run into will have a certain amount of hit points and weapons do a certain amount of fix damage and you will hit that creature everything 3 out of 4 swings, then where does the fun come from?</blockquote>