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Message: <blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 492110" data-attributes="member: 2673">Frostmarrow, you sound like someone on whom the social skill system has been inflicted badly.  Here's how it goes IMC - you roleplay it out.  We use the dice for the stuff we can't see at the table.-- Sense Motive is called for by the player.  Basically meaning "What's this guy's body language like?  How's the look in his eye?" etc.-- Bluff is called for by the DM.  Its done after you said what you were going to say.  How convincing the story is affects the DC.  This is a roll to pull off the appropriate 'body language' stuff.-- Diplomacy is both for negotiation and making a good impression, used much like BLuff described above.  Its also partly a knowledge skill - how to address a minor lord, etc.-- Intimidate I houserule to oppose either intimidate or concentration.  I hate the default rules.  Modifiers for delivery, demonstrations, etc.Used properly, these social skills support role play rather than supplant them.  We don't use them a whole lot, only when a PC tries something funky or thinks an NPC is giving them a load of goblin manure.As far as knowledge skills -- what do you propose?  How to play a wizened sage who has studied history and geogrphay when the player knows next to nothing about the DM's campaign world?  As far as 'having to pretend I don't know something' that sounds like you are complaining that your DM doesn't like metagaming.</blockquote>

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