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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 3750208" data-attributes="member: 10397">I really, REALLY hope they don't take this aproach with transformation spells. A Transmutation school spell that turns you to stone or into an animal or whatever should abso-fraggin-lutely NOT do HP damage. It should simply transform you if you fail the save. I don't have a problem with trying to somewhat reduce the importance of save or die/suck spells...and having actually death spells, disintegrate etc do HP damage is maybe a good idea. But the transformation spells should stay as they are.   Remember also that being transformed is much easier to fix than being killed. It takes you out of the fight...but its very possible that an ally might even be able to bring you back into the fight during the fight (especially given the emphasis in 4e on performing support actions during/as part of other actions) but they can certainly do so afterward.</blockquote>