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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VirgilCaine" data-source="post: 3806746" data-attributes="member: 17083">Which allow for many more saves, and require an hour's prep time and only a few minutes of observation at a time. Seems very prone to being noticed and counteracted. Also extremely impractical.Of course, there's the distinct possibility enemy organizations might have counter-intelligence preparations after thousands of years of existence...like evil churches have.Yes, I'm assuming we're speaking in terms of PC use of the spells vs. villains, not villains attacking kings and whatnot, which would be the only real practical use of scrying, to learn people's routines.How can you gather information on where the enemy is when he is asleep? Birds? You can wait for a bird to randomly fly within 10' feet of the BBEG without him noticing and worrying? You do know scrying has a 10' sight radius, right?Of course, you only need to keep doing it to fail after several times of wasting spells. Long-term, it's best to stick with what works--walking in and killing them the old-fashioned way. I've also never understood how placing yourself in an enemy stronghold where you don't know the situation or terrain or the disposition of the enemy to be a good idea.Higher-level NPC manipulating PCs to take the danger for them...proxy wars between spellcasters isn't my idea of a good time. Of course, you make the fatal mistake of assuming the game world came into existence five minutes ago, when you created it OOG. In-game, often thousands of years have passed allowing for a large amount of such places to be accumulated over time. I mean really, is there a D&D campaign setting where magic hasn't existed for thousands of years?Nondetection items are super-expensive? Easily justified as being thousands of years old and paid off long ago. Or received as a coronation gift from a mage's guild.You act like every new king has to pay for everything out of his own budget, like there hasn't been hundreds or thousands of years of history for kings to build up these kinds of things.</blockquote>

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