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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3871911" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>I agree with nearly everything you said, and will elaborate on my thoughts about this subject a little more...</p><p></p><p>IMHO, the D&D basic games for 3.0 & 3.5 were pure and simple a waste. It did not provide enough of a gameplay experience to hook a potential buyer, when after playing up to 2nd level you are now required to make an investment (on top of the $25 already payed) of $90. It just seemed more focused on flash and not enough on the actual play experience. Part of this I blame on D&D's focus on minis in play and as a money maker. In the 3.5 Basic sets, I got the impression it was more important to hook people on the shiny toys (minis & tiles) than on the actual game.</p><p></p><p>Now the biggest response is that you only have to make a $30 investment, but in the end without a DM there is no game. So again someone has to be willing to make a $90 investment off what they experienced with the D&D basic set.</p><p></p><p>WotC seems unwillng to risk a perceived loss in making a decent basic game, which is a shame. In the videogame indutry, an overall loss on consoles is often expected and pursued in order to hook gamers on becoming continued consumers for that particular system. D&D could benefit from exploring this type of model. Let the basic set go up to 5th level, provide simple rules...even something along the lines of the " For Dummies" books so that new players can actually see why they would want to invest more heavily in the game. Minis and Tiles are cool, but you don't sell continued interest in something through flash...you have to give it some substance.</p><p></p><p>On a side note I would be curious to ask a representative of WOtC why the D&D boardgame was never released in the states. This seemed like exactly the type of thing that could hook younger gamers and slowly steer them towards the full game or allow them to continue supporting D&D by sticking with the boardgame and buying the enhancements. Again wasted opportunity WotC, I would have definitely bought this and some of the supplements for my son, who is starting to show interest in the roleplaying games I play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 3871911, member: 48965"] I agree with nearly everything you said, and will elaborate on my thoughts about this subject a little more... IMHO, the D&D basic games for 3.0 & 3.5 were pure and simple a waste. It did not provide enough of a gameplay experience to hook a potential buyer, when after playing up to 2nd level you are now required to make an investment (on top of the $25 already payed) of $90. It just seemed more focused on flash and not enough on the actual play experience. Part of this I blame on D&D's focus on minis in play and as a money maker. In the 3.5 Basic sets, I got the impression it was more important to hook people on the shiny toys (minis & tiles) than on the actual game. Now the biggest response is that you only have to make a $30 investment, but in the end without a DM there is no game. So again someone has to be willing to make a $90 investment off what they experienced with the D&D basic set. WotC seems unwillng to risk a perceived loss in making a decent basic game, which is a shame. In the videogame indutry, an overall loss on consoles is often expected and pursued in order to hook gamers on becoming continued consumers for that particular system. D&D could benefit from exploring this type of model. Let the basic set go up to 5th level, provide simple rules...even something along the lines of the " For Dummies" books so that new players can actually see why they would want to invest more heavily in the game. Minis and Tiles are cool, but you don't sell continued interest in something through flash...you have to give it some substance. On a side note I would be curious to ask a representative of WOtC why the D&D boardgame was never released in the states. This seemed like exactly the type of thing that could hook younger gamers and slowly steer them towards the full game or allow them to continue supporting D&D by sticking with the boardgame and buying the enhancements. Again wasted opportunity WotC, I would have definitely bought this and some of the supplements for my son, who is starting to show interest in the roleplaying games I play. [/QUOTE]
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