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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 6230283" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I agree with you, and you may be surprised but the BIGGEST RPG audience may also agree with you, they just don't speak English.</p><p></p><p>Whilst the West (well, primarily US, UK, Aus, and parts of Europe like Germany, but not all of Europe) seem to prefer the new RPGs post turn of the millennium that are based upon D20 (3.5, 4e, PF) in some portions of Europe, Eastern Eurasia, a lot of Asia itself (inclusive of Korea and Japan) seem to prefer RPG mechanics that STILL date to the 70s and basically don't buy these "advancements" because they do not consider them as such.</p><p></p><p>Their "advancements" have gone a different path with more inspirations from the percentile statistics of the late 70s and early 80s and the RPGs rooting from them rather than anything dealing with such things as number that arrive from nowhere and strange D20 dice and such.</p><p></p><p>It's their preference for a different style, aka...a different form of the art as you would.</p><p></p><p>There may be evolutions of style, but it is not necessarily advancments that are similar to tech advancements.</p><p></p><p>Another take would be art. IS modern art that much more evolved and advanced than older art. A majority of the art still produced is actually the OLDER style art from over a century ago. The MODERN art and those who think all art should be in that style...kind of scoff at the uneducated crowds that prefer this old style art (so all of us who like the PF or other art in RPGs...we are all ignorant savages in that light). Are we REALLY that far behind?</p><p></p><p>Or is it basically the same thing as RPGs in that, it doesn't matter if some art major things we are ignorant for not preferring this</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]59919[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Or is it that, just like the discussions in the art crowd (of which this conversation CLOSELY mirrors) are basically the same as what we are having and it truly is a measure of art and not technology.</p><p></p><p>In otherwords, depending on who you ascribe to, if you are a art major who favors the advancement of art...then just like you'd prefer something above as far more advanced and technical than the older art forms...you'd probably also see RPG's art form as also being technically related in advancments.</p><p></p><p>However, if you are one that prefers the current art in PF, or most other RPGs that deal with art forms dating back over a century (and sometimes over 2 or 3 centuries ago), than you'll probably be of the opinion that art is NOT a technological type of advancement, and neither are RPGs...but more affixed to trends and current enjoyment than what we specifically state would be the same as a scientific or technological advancement.</p><p></p><p>Beyond the obvious of considering all RPGs/art equal in the latter instance, is also recognizing that as the art evolves...that new forms and ideas are unlocked which create NEW (and perhaps equal) forms of enjoyment...which may or may not appeal to the current elites, non-elites, or others.</p><p></p><p>PS: I should add, even the art posted above is ALSO almost a century old at this point...but the artforms used in most RPGs are even OLDER than that.</p><p></p><p>For a more recent look at something (well, still 40 years old at this point) the below link is available.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://collection.corcoran.org/collection/work/yellow-red-triangle" target="_blank">http://collection.corcoran.org/collection/work/yellow-red-triangle</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 6230283, member: 4348"] I agree with you, and you may be surprised but the BIGGEST RPG audience may also agree with you, they just don't speak English. Whilst the West (well, primarily US, UK, Aus, and parts of Europe like Germany, but not all of Europe) seem to prefer the new RPGs post turn of the millennium that are based upon D20 (3.5, 4e, PF) in some portions of Europe, Eastern Eurasia, a lot of Asia itself (inclusive of Korea and Japan) seem to prefer RPG mechanics that STILL date to the 70s and basically don't buy these "advancements" because they do not consider them as such. Their "advancements" have gone a different path with more inspirations from the percentile statistics of the late 70s and early 80s and the RPGs rooting from them rather than anything dealing with such things as number that arrive from nowhere and strange D20 dice and such. It's their preference for a different style, aka...a different form of the art as you would. There may be evolutions of style, but it is not necessarily advancments that are similar to tech advancements. Another take would be art. IS modern art that much more evolved and advanced than older art. A majority of the art still produced is actually the OLDER style art from over a century ago. The MODERN art and those who think all art should be in that style...kind of scoff at the uneducated crowds that prefer this old style art (so all of us who like the PF or other art in RPGs...we are all ignorant savages in that light). Are we REALLY that far behind? Or is it basically the same thing as RPGs in that, it doesn't matter if some art major things we are ignorant for not preferring this [ATTACH=CONFIG]59919._xfImport[/ATTACH] Or is it that, just like the discussions in the art crowd (of which this conversation CLOSELY mirrors) are basically the same as what we are having and it truly is a measure of art and not technology. In otherwords, depending on who you ascribe to, if you are a art major who favors the advancement of art...then just like you'd prefer something above as far more advanced and technical than the older art forms...you'd probably also see RPG's art form as also being technically related in advancments. However, if you are one that prefers the current art in PF, or most other RPGs that deal with art forms dating back over a century (and sometimes over 2 or 3 centuries ago), than you'll probably be of the opinion that art is NOT a technological type of advancement, and neither are RPGs...but more affixed to trends and current enjoyment than what we specifically state would be the same as a scientific or technological advancement. Beyond the obvious of considering all RPGs/art equal in the latter instance, is also recognizing that as the art evolves...that new forms and ideas are unlocked which create NEW (and perhaps equal) forms of enjoyment...which may or may not appeal to the current elites, non-elites, or others. PS: I should add, even the art posted above is ALSO almost a century old at this point...but the artforms used in most RPGs are even OLDER than that. For a more recent look at something (well, still 40 years old at this point) the below link is available. [url]http://collection.corcoran.org/collection/work/yellow-red-triangle[/url] [/QUOTE]
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