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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5160762" data-attributes="member: 4937">This sorta misses the point in that you've defined up 'kobolds', and created a special case (its 1st lvl, but normal minion kobolds will be used).  In 'earlier' editions, 1st level PC's could be sent up against 1st level non-commoner 'kobolds' to the exact same effect.  So you are comparing the minions of one edition to the non-minions of another edition, and saying in effect, "In 4e a 1st level character is relatively more threatened by a 4e non-minion than a 3rd edition character was threatened by a 3e minion."Similarly, I could have painted a 1HD monster as a kobold in 1e and achieved the same thing that creating non-minion kobolds gets you in 4e.But we don't have to do this sort of comparison.  Taken on its own, 4e 1st level characters bring more of 'the awesome' than 1st level characters of previous editions.  They have more than one effective HD, they have more abilities out of the gate, they have higher average ability scores.  In another context, I doubt that would even be contriversial.  People would be arguing how that was a feature rather than trying to deny its existance.  And for the record, I don't even necessarily consider all of that a bug.  I adopted a portion of that (with different mechanics) into my own rules.</blockquote>