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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 4680529" data-attributes="member: 2198">...but it is.&nbsp; Using a children's game for the analogy is probably being taken as an insult, but I don't think that was Cadfan's intention.&nbsp; You have to ask the DM for permission to do anything, which is how the game Mother May I works (substituting the DM for the role of &quot;mother&quot;).EDIT: Cadfan's analogy is describing a mechanical relationship; the DM controls the &quot;physics&quot; of the game and the players have to query him or her for what is possible and what is not.&nbsp; The intent behind the DM's control is undefined.&nbsp; It could be adversarial, or it might not be.You're attempting to conflate the presence of rules (such that the physics of the game are publicly known to all parties) with DM intent, when they're no connection between the two.&nbsp; Again, the DM's intent could be adversarial, or it might not be.&nbsp; Whether the game physics are well-known or exist only at the DM's whim has no actual bearing on the nature of the DM-player relationship.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 4680529, member: 2198"] ...but it is. Using a children's game for the analogy is probably being taken as an insult, but I don't think that was Cadfan's intention. You have to ask the DM for permission to do anything, which is how the game Mother May I works (substituting the DM for the role of "mother"). EDIT: Cadfan's analogy is describing a mechanical relationship; the DM controls the "physics" of the game and the players have to query him or her for what is possible and what is not. The intent behind the DM's control is undefined. It could be adversarial, or it might not be. You're attempting to conflate the presence of rules (such that the physics of the game are publicly known to all parties) with DM intent, when they're no connection between the two. Again, the DM's intent could be adversarial, or it might not be. Whether the game physics are well-known or exist only at the DM's whim has no actual bearing on the nature of the DM-player relationship. [/QUOTE]

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