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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 4680640" data-attributes="member: 2198"><p>You have a point in that it's not quite the same situation.&nbsp; But in practice it often comes down to the same result: the DM defines what is and is not possible but that information is not available to the player, except through experience with that particular DM.&nbsp; So yes, you don't need to ask permission to slide down the banister and crash into the villain, but you'll want to know roughly how the DM is going to adjucate that before potentially wasting your action on it.&nbsp; &quot;If I slide down the banister and crash into the villian, do I have a reasonable chance of knocking him into the brazier?&quot;&nbsp; If the DM is going to throw up all kinds of obstacles to the act (&quot;Make a DEX check to stay on the banister... OK, roll to hit the villain's AC... OK, make a STR check with a -10 penalty... Alright, the villain takes 1 point of fire damage.&quot;), then he's effectively saying, no, you can't do that.&nbsp; Or rather: sure you can try, but you would be foolish to do so.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 4680640, member: 2198"] You have a point in that it's not quite the same situation. But in practice it often comes down to the same result: the DM defines what is and is not possible but that information is not available to the player, except through experience with that particular DM. So yes, you don't need to ask permission to slide down the banister and crash into the villain, but you'll want to know roughly how the DM is going to adjucate that before potentially wasting your action on it. "If I slide down the banister and crash into the villian, do I have a reasonable chance of knocking him into the brazier?" If the DM is going to throw up all kinds of obstacles to the act ("Make a DEX check to stay on the banister... OK, roll to hit the villain's AC... OK, make a STR check with a -10 penalty... Alright, the villain takes 1 point of fire damage."), then he's effectively saying, no, you can't do that. Or rather: sure you can try, but you would be foolish to do so. [/QUOTE]

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